TOFFEE Ball PROVEN

I think we'll have to wait till the babies ate a few rats.

Blonde/Caramel Retics hatch out like normal albino's, but turn Caramel as they grow.

idk about this....if he truly bought them from the source, then maybe they are. guess only time will tell.

i guess only time will tell :)

I bet its legit. I also find it disappointing the way in which some of those who dont are all but accusing the original poster of trying to pull some sort of scam with his photos.

Food for thought:
At one point we all thought the world was flat, then the world was the center of the universe, then cigarettes were good for your health, etc etc... In this case were talking about the first ever successfully breeding/hatchings of this morph and people are quick to cry foul. Hell, do we even know if there is a super spider yet? And they have been around for a decade...

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Originally Posted by paul.angelides

If it colours up then great, if it doesn't then either way, its proven and as I have a guarantee stating "The long and short of it is we have no doubt that the Toffee Ball is a simple recessive mutation and we will stand behind that with a full money back guarantee" then I get my money back!!

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As I said before...I for one, will be thrilled to be proven wrong. :)

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Originally Posted by Envied Reptiles

I bet its legit. I also find it disappointing the way in which some of those who dont are all but accusing the original poster of trying to pull some sort of scam with his photos.

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And again...I haven't seen anyone say anything bad. No one has accused or even implied that Paul is anything but honest with his belief in what he's hatched. And while some have suggested that maybe the OP was scammed, that's just because they don't know who Craig is. I seriously doubt that Craig would "mix up" hets...especially hets as important as these. And I'm SURE he would not intentionally misrepresent an animal.

But all we can go on is what we SEE...and what most of us SEE are absolutely normal albinos. Very pretty ones, with a nice reduced pattern trait. I've heard/seen a number of stories over the last couple of years of folks hatching out albinos and/or albino combos when they had NO CLUE that either parent was het for albino. So, what pops into my mind, is that somewhere in the ancestry of those hets, (and I'm guessing they're sibs or otherwise closely related) was an unknown het-albino animal that has passed on its genes.

What has NOT popped into my mind is that either Paul or Craig are in any way being dishonest about any of this.

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Originally Posted by Nordinho

I think we'll have to wait till the babies ate a few rats.

Blonde/Caramel Retics hatch out like normal albino's, but turn Caramel as they grow.

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I know nothing of candys or toffees but nordinho does have a good point if you see a caramel albino retic hatchling you would swear it was nothing more then a normal albino but when they start to grow there colors change alot and they turn that amazing caramel color. I believe prehistoric pets has a video somewhere showing a baby and a yearling or adult in comparison.

To the original poster if they do change colors thats awesome and congrats. But if they are just normal albinos you at least have a guarantee,

Check out this video from Prehistoric Pets. This makes sense..

YouTube - Color Changing Python

I'm gonna side with the under dog in this whole thing(if he proves to be right, he will definately be the top dawg ;)). I know you all have seen the thread about a spider that all of a sudden lost all yellow and brown pigment after one shed....Right?? Why do you think it is impossible for this snake to change over a year or so? I have a pastel female who has changed tremendously over the last few sheds. Not to mention, the lavender albino will change a good deal over time also. You all don't have to hate him because you covet HIS goods. Wish him well! Remember, if it proves out, he will be picking and choosing who they go to. Most important of all he will set "the" price!!!!! Nice babies man! Hope it works out for you.:gj:

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

I'm gonna side with the under dog in this whole thing(if he proves to be right, he will definately be the top dawg ;)). I know you all have seen the thread about a spider that all of a sudden lost all yellow and brown pigment after one shed....Right?? Why do you think it is impossible for this snake to change over a year or so? I have a pastel female who has changed tremendously over the last few sheds. Not to mention, the lavender albino will change a good deal over time also. You all don't have to hate him because you covet HIS goods. Wish him well! Remember, if it proves out, he will be picking and choosing who they go to. Most important of all he will set "the" price!!!!! Nice babies man! Hope it works out for you.:gj:

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I think you're missing everyone's point. No one is hating on him for "Proving" the "Toffee", we're saying that to us it looks like a regular albino, we'll all be glad to be proven wrong, but in the mean time some of us think it is a albino.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

I think you're missing everyone's point. No one is hating on him for "Proving" the "Toffee", we're saying that to us it looks like a regular albino, we'll all be glad to be proven wrong, but in the mean time some of us think it is a albino.

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I thought the same thing to be honest when I first saw it also. The first thing that came to mind is that maybe the toffee was a fluke of nature and maybe it was an undeveloped albino or something. For people to say they hope he didn't pay toffee price for it and all is wrong. If I was in his place and payed a great deal of money for something that may not be what it seems, I would want the support of others on this forum. That has to be nerve racking for him to want to see a visual toffee from the get go, see an albino, and then have everyone tell him it sound like he got screwed.

Grats!! Can't wait to see updated pics as it matures.

I have seen the Toffee in person at the CRBE a couple weeks ago and they do kinda have red eyes, but they are more of like a ruby red rather than the red eyes albinos have. From the OP's first pics those are definately Albinos I don't see them changing in colour that much as they mature, but I guess only time will tell

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

I'm gonna side with the under dog in this whole thing(if he proves to be right, he will definately be the top dawg ;)). I know you all have seen the thread about a spider that all of a sudden lost all yellow and brown pigment after one shed....Right?? Why do you think it is impossible for this snake to change over a year or so? I have a pastel female who has changed tremendously over the last few sheds. Not to mention, the lavender albino will change a good deal over time also. You all don't have to hate him because you covet HIS goods. Wish him well! Remember, if it proves out, he will be picking and choosing who they go to. Most important of all he will set "the" price!!!!! Nice babies man! Hope it works out for you.:gj:

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I don't understand.. no one is siding anything. We're giving opinions as to if it's a toffee or not because we do not see a toffee there, we're not saying he's wrong, we're just saying what we see from the experience of everyone here.

I'd like someone who has produced Toffees previously to chime in and show us their hatchling pictures, that would help I think.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

I'd like someone who has produced Toffees previously to chime in and show us their hatchling pictures, that would help I think.

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Well, that's kind of the whole point of this thread, he IS the first to produce them from this particular line. Whether or not he got what he thinks he has will have to wait to see if they color up or not.

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Originally Posted by Jared

Yeah.. That's a good idea, as it looks to be that someone is trying to pull something over on someone. lol Lots of possibilities there :) :D

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I think this ^ is the statement some are calling a little harsh or accusatory. Also, the OP has already stated that there are no other photos of newborn toffees because these are the first produced. The other photos that were posted were candies, which cannot be proven as the same as toffees until someone breeds a candy to a toffee. Also, none of the photos of candies appeared to be fresh hatchlings, as has also been previously stated.

Good luck to the OP, and can't wait to see some photos after a few sheds!

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

I don't understand.. no one is siding anything. We're giving opinions as to if it's a toffee or not because we do not see a toffee there, we're not saying he's wrong, we're just saying what we see from the experience of everyone here.

I'd like someone who has produced Toffees previously to chime in and show us their hatchling pictures, that would help I think.

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Craig Stewart from The Urban Python here is Canada is the only one I know who is working with Toffees, I think this uncoming breeding season will be his first in proving the gene out(if he does) I know that in the past he has done alot of Toffee x Normal breedings just to make lots of hets. I'm sure he has mixed the Toffee with other morphs to make them hets aswell but you would have to ask him to find out.

He acquired the Toffee in 2005 and bred it for the first time in 2007 to make the hets. Now those hets would be from a Toffee x Normal breeding as far as I know. To make a Toffee from picking up a pair of those 2007 hets it might take a few years for them to get to breeding size than prove them out. I think if anyone would have done it, it would have been him and I haven't heard/seen anything yet from him. I think this 2009/2010 season will be the first season he proves one out if he does.

Now I'm not sure if the OP got the hets directly from Craig at Urban or if he bought them off someone who says they got them from Craig. Either way I don't think Craig let many of them go not to mention the $5,500/male $13,500/female price tags. which i think he sold last year. Maybe the OP got scammed and got het albinos, or maybe he really did get the Hets directly from Craig and had het albinos already and got them mixed up some how. Who knows even a Het albino x Het Toffee could have produced an Albino I mean nobody really knows the Genetics behind the Toffee yet anyways I mean the original Toffee was a CH baby that Craig got from the US that the US got from Africa, these are just ideas. But in the end to get to the bottom of this the best thing to do would be to contact Craig himself becuase nobody would know better than him and until someone talks to him everyone is just throwing out ideas/guessing.

Not that I know much about this morph, but here's something that confuses me about this thread...

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Originally Posted by paul.angelides

If it colours up then great, if it doesn't then either way, its proven and as I have a guarantee stating "The long and short of it is we have no doubt that the Toffee Ball is a simple recessive mutation and we will stand behind that with a full money back guarantee" then I get my money back!!

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How can Urban Python be 100% sure that toffee is simple recessive, if they have only produced "hets" and no actual toffees? Unless they are assuming that Toffee and Candy are the same thing?

I really want to eat my words and say

"HOT DAMN thats a bad arse TOFFEE"

But the way i see it, its just reduced pattern albinos.

No one is bashing, no one is hating. We are just in Disbelief.

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Originally Posted by icygirl

Not that I know much about this morph, but here's something that confuses me about this thread...



How can Urban Python be 100% sure that toffee is simple recessive, if they have only produced "hets" and no actual toffees? Unless they are assuming that Toffee and Candy are the same thing?

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That's what I was thinking. It could be one of those, what I would call paradox morphs, that shows up in Africa and the "morph" dies with that one snake. For example you breed two paradox albinos, that look like they could be a new morph, and you never prove it out, you never get hets-you might think you have hets, you try and try to prove out the hets, and nothing..... *sigh* (just look at all the unproved one-of-a-kind imported "morphs" ralph davis has on his website, some of those have been in the making for years and still aren't proven-IMO paradox morphs)

I'm excited to see if Craig gets any toffees this coming season.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

I really want to eat my words and say

"HOT DAMN thats a bad arse TOFFEE"

But the way i see it, its just reduced pattern albinos.

No one is bashing, no one is hating. We are just in Disbelief.

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I don't feel you bashed anyone Patrick, but there has been at least one comment from another poster that I would classify as bashing.

In my opinion Hets are normals until proven out. I don't buy hets

They look like Albinos.... but who knows. they could possibly be a new line of the Burgundy Albino in which case the eyes would be red/ruby.

We can only tell from what pictures we have, but as time goes on that animal definitely could color up.

Good luck on proving them out, but dont forget that money back guarantee just in case. ;)

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Originally Posted by herpenthusiast

I don't feel you bashed anyone Patrick, but there has been at least one comment from another poster that I would classify as bashing.

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I'm glad somebody seen it the way I did. Oh yeah, Pat is a big basher also.......J/K Pat!

I just talked to the Urban Python, they said that they haven't had anything come out from het x het pairings, and they did try to breed the Toffee to Het Toffee females but none of them laid because they were still too small.

they let 5 het pairs go in 2007

I am no expert on the toffee project But as a betting man I would put any amount down that those are toffees and in a month or so when they chance alot of people will be have to take their foot out of their mouth.


Any way I am very excited to have a pair of hets

Jon

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Originally Posted by m00kfu

Adult candy:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ady/candy3.jpg

Adult toffee:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ady/toffee.jpg

VPI's burgundy albino:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ndy_Albino.jpg

From the photos they all look pretty similar to me.

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Thank you! Those look alike, all the photos I had seen earlier of the candy looked alot more neon and like a Banana.

Color changing morphs are nothing new(even with eyes). It would be interesting to see it in ball pythons. Craig seems to like the color chagers with the black pearl leopard geckos....a changing snake would fit right in.

A time lapse of the change would be neat to see so be sure to snap a bunch of pictures along the way.

Congrats on the snake. I spoke with someone who actually saw the Candy as it crawled out of the egg(maybe the same morph and maybe not) and apparently they did look like regular albinos. The ball python world has alot of amazing mutations that defy all expectations and PRE concieved notions. I tend to express my thoughts on what i think is "gonna" happen(who expected the Caramel spyder???? i mean where is the purple?....anyways, sore subject..LOL) Looking forward to seeing picts as the snake changes....

Big congrats Paul, can't wait to see them mature into their Toffee dress! Thanks fro sharing! :gj:

Well, congratulations!! I really, really look forward to pics as it grows! Can you promise pics every month or so? :please: Thank you!

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

More than happy too..



Baby Candy Image thanks to Pete Khal (Pete Khal reptiles)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...morphs/1-6.jpg

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Originally Posted by m00kfu View Post
Adult candy:http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ady/candy3.jpg

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If these are both Candies dosen't this show the color change right here, plain as day? I can imagine with out much of a stretch (thanks to these pics) that these "albino" looking babies could go through this color change.

I'm looking forward to updates on these guys. Congrats! :gj::gj::gj:

Looking at the pics from the original post, the eyes of these baby toffees are a darker red than an albinos. An albinos eyes are a light pink, whereas these are a ruby red. I hope my fellow BP.netters haven't scared you off of posting pictures as these stunners develop... Also why was the kingsnake thread deleted?

Congrats on producing the first Toffee:salute:!!! If this was Brians post (or Ralph, Tracy, Kevin, ects for that matter) and he produced the first baby Toffee I wonder how many people would say "he made a mistake", "those are regular albinos", "thats not a toffee" , or "candys look-like this so toffees must look-like that"... Not everyone on this forum are trying to scam, even the ADMIN/MODS are hinting the OP is lying or there must be some mistake...relax people these are ball people, that happen to change color while aging.

Remember MOST morphs dont look the same as adults!!! And I do mean MOST!!!

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Originally Posted by adogunnaike

Congrats on producing the first Toffee:salute:!!! If this was Brians post (or Ralph, Tracy, Kevin, ects for that matter) and he produced the first baby Toffee I wonder how many people would say "he made a mistake", "those are regular albinos", "thats not a toffee" , or "candys look-like this so toffees must look-like that".

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In all do respect I do not believe Ralph, Tracey, Kevin or Barcyzk would post an animal that looks like an Albino and say:

"Look guys I proved out the Toffee!!!"

They'd probably see the eggs pip and go "...What the crap" and start checking their breeding records to make sure there wasn't a mistake, then they'd probably call a few people and after finding out no one else has had a successful clutch yet, they would likely wait and see and once/if the color begins to change to what you expect a toffee to look like then they MAY post their findings on the internet after being able to decisively say "This is a Toffee".

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Originally Posted by adogunnaike

...even the ADMIN/MODS are hinting the OP is lying or there must be some mistake...relax people these are ball people, that happen to change color while aging.

Remember MOST morphs dont look the same as adults!!! And I do mean MOST!!!

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PLEASE show me where either myself, or any other admin or mod hinted or implied that the OP is lying. YES, I did say there MAY be a mistake somewhere along the lines...but that in no way implies anything negative about the OP. Those seriously look like ordinary albinos to me, from the pictures provided...and I simply offered up a reasonable explanation about WHY they might look that way, without any attempt at deception on the part of the OP or the original seller of the hets.

And I am fully aware that newly hatched ball pythons can change as they grow...some morphs this is more dramatic than in others. But no where in the ball python world that I've seen so far has there ever been a case of a change as significant as what the OP is suggesting. The closest that I'm aware of might be the banana ball...where the babies are crazy-colored and then grow into somewhat dull looking adults....but even in that case, you can see the relationship between the baby and the adult. And I've never seen a case where the eye color changes.

While I can understand the frustration of those who are tired of the somewhat pessimistic response to the original pictures, I take offense at our words being so twisted and misconstrued.

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Originally Posted by adogunnaike

Congrats on producing the first Toffee:salute:!!! If this was Brians post (or Ralph, Tracy, Kevin, ects for that matter) and he produced the first baby Toffee I wonder how many people would say "he made a mistake", "those are regular albinos", "thats not a toffee" , or "candys look-like this so toffees must look-like that"... Not everyone on this forum are trying to scam, even the ADMIN/MODS are hinting the OP is lying or there must be some mistake...relax people these are ball people, that happen to change color while aging.

Remember MOST morphs dont look the same as adults!!! And I do mean MOST!!!

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I don't recall anyone saying the OP was trying to "scam" anyone. Everyone gave their opinions one way or another. It seems odd to me that even Urban has not produced a toffee, but the folks who bought the hets are producing them. Maybe they've just had bad luck. Could be. If these don't prove to in fact be Toffees it may be time for some to accept the fact that it was just a really cool looking normal het carrying the albino genes, kind of like a paradox.
If these do prove to be Toffees then that's great! I would rather be wrong and see someone prove these out as the Toffee just may be my favorite looking snake.
Either way the OP has some great looking snakes there.
As far as the Candy being the same as Toffee, I don't think they look exactly the same, but are similar. Kinda like Cinnies and Black Pastels or Lessers and Butters. Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

In all do respect I do not believe Ralph, Tracey, Kevin or Barcyzk would post an animal that looks like an Albino and say:

"Look guys I proved out the Toffee!!!"

They'd probably see the eggs pip and go "...What the crap" and start checking their breeding records to make sure there wasn't a mistake, then they'd probably call a few people and after finding out no one else has had a successful clutch yet, they would likely wait and see and once/if the color begins to change to what you expect a toffee to look like then they MAY post their findings on the internet after being able to decisively say "This is a Toffee".

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How many of us (SMALL TIME BREEDERS) could wait a few months, watch the color change...then post... "Here is the first Toffee... Look how the color changes over time"... realistically most (including myself) cant.

Nobody (you, me, or the next breeder) wants to hear that their 'prize project' must be wrong by people who have no idea what they're talking about... A few weeks ago I was reading a post from some saying that Justin's Lavender babies are regular albinos, because they have no purple. Its easy to mistake a baby high contrast albino and a Lavender... How do you (not you in particular) know that baby toffees don't look like regular albinos?... Nobody has ever seen one!!! The Original Toffee was already its adult coloration when Craig received it.

If we assume that the brown/toffee color develops over time, it really does explain all of the differences. Perhaps some oxidizing effect?

For example, if the eyes are light red/pink now, and brown color develops over time, this color would darken the eyes along with the rest of the snake, producing the darker ruby red color seen in the older animal.

They do look just like albinos to me, too, but I'm listening to the folks who say there is a mutation in retics which may be similar, and the baby retics look like albinos when they hatch.

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Originally Posted by adogunnaike

Congrats on producing the first Toffee:salute:!!! If this was Brians post (or Ralph, Tracy, Kevin, ects for that matter) and he produced the first baby Toffee I wonder how many people would say "he made a mistake", "those are regular albinos", "thats not a toffee" , or "candys look-like this so toffees must look-like that"... Not everyone on this forum are trying to scam, even the ADMIN/MODS are hinting the OP is lying or there must be some mistake...relax people these are ball people, that happen to change color while aging.

Remember MOST morphs dont look the same as adults!!! And I do mean MOST!!!

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I haven't participated in this thread until now, but I do want to comment on this. Why is it, that when a person's name is in red or green, they are suddenly not allowed to participate in a thread without having their position thrown up in their face?

I haven't seen a single staff member imply that the OP was lying about the history of those animals' parentage as he believes it, and to insinuate that they have is just low, in my opinion.

I don't know if people do it to get "cool points" for singling out the staff or what compels them to do so when they disagree with a staff member's individual OPINION and participation in a thread.

Disclaimer - the above rant is my own personal opinion and may or may not be shared by the rest of the staff. I speak only for myself and how I see things from my chair in GA.
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To the OP - congrats on beautiful hatchlings - please do keep us updated with progression pictures as they mature!

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How do you (not you in particular) know that baby toffees don't look like regular albinos?... Nobody has ever seen one!!! The Original Toffee was already its adult coloration when Craig received it.

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I 100% totally agree we don't know what a baby look like. So the question remains how can the OP know with 100% unchanging certainty that what he produced is in fact a Toffee. Remember

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Nobody has ever seen one!!

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Lets see how it matures in say 2 months.. 6 months.. a year then lets see what it looks like if it completely changes color great I want a pair of visuals.

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Originally Posted by adogunnaike

If this was Brians post (or Ralph, Tracy, Kevin, ects for that matter)

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I would have still said, it looks JUST like an albino. BECAUSE IT DOES!!!!!!

I dont know why your gettin your ruffles all feathered (ha!). It would help all of us, NOT just you if it were in fact a Toffee.

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PLEASE show me where either myself, or any other admin or mod hinted or implied that the OP is lying. YES, I did say there MAY be a mistake somewhere along the lines...but that in no way implies anything negative about the OP. Those seriously look like ordinary albinos to me, from the pictures provided...and I simply offered up a reasonable explanation about WHY they might look that way, without any attempt at deception on the part of the OP or the original seller of the hets.

And I am fully aware that newly hatched ball pythons can change as they grow...some morphs this is more dramatic than in others. But no where in the ball python world that I've seen so far has there ever been a case of a change as significant as what the OP is suggesting. The closest that I'm aware of might be the banana ball...where the babies are crazy-colored and then grow into somewhat dull looking adults....but even in that case, you can see the relationship between the baby and the adult. And I've never seen a case where the eye color changes.

While I can understand the frustration of those who are tired of the somewhat pessimistic response to the original pictures, I take offense at our words being so twisted and misconstrued.

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JCL You yourself just said " YES, I did say there MAY be a mistake somewhere along the lines"... and thats all im saying...Some ADMIN/MODS where hinting that there most be a mistake and some users (members in general) where saying maybe he GOT scammed (not necessarily The OP trying to scam)

This reminds when there was all this drama about MYSTICS...and how they couldnt be a new line of PHANTOM or how Sulfurs werent fires...

I guess... maybe the OP should have waited to post pictures of the progress, but that takes the fun out of it :taz:

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Originally Posted by adogunnaike

JCL You yourself just said " YES, I did say there MAY be a mistake somewhere along the lines"... and thats all im saying...Some ADMIN/MODS where hinting that there most be a mistake and some users (members in general) where saying maybe he GOT scammed (not necessarily The OP trying to scam)

This reminds when there was all this drama about MYSTICS...and how they couldnt be a new line of PHANTOM or how Sulfurs werent fires...

I guess... maybe the OP should have waited to post pictures of the progress, but that takes the fun out of it :taz:

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And that shows that Judy called him a liar........where?

I just don't see all of the white on those babies eventually turning to a brown toffee color. I hope I am wrong not only for the sake of the OP's wallet but for the entirety of the hobby.

My feathers are all plucked lol... Id be heated if everyone told me my baby toffee is a only a regular albino... and maybe I should call the breeder back to get my money!!! Only because nobody has ever seen a baby TOFFEE


BELIEVE ME... I'M NOT UPSET, I'M NOT GOING TO LOOSE ANY SLEEP, THIS IS MY HOBBY... THIS IS A DEBATE... I'M A DEBATER...ITS JUST WHAT I DO.

I DONT HAVE ANY HARD FEELINGS FOR ANYONE...I WISH EVERYONE LAVENDER ALBINO PIEDS (MY DREAM SNAKE)

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Originally Posted by m00kfu

Adult candy:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ady/candy3.jpg

Adult toffee:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ady/toffee.jpg

VPI's burgundy albino:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ndy_Albino.jpg

From the photos they all look pretty similar to me.

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The Candy and Burgundy albino look similar, but the toffee stands out. It has a much different pattern than the other two.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

And that shows that Judy called him a liar........where?

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Finish writing the rest of my quote! You left out the important part... Theres plenty more ADMINT/MODS then just JUDY right? Relax:gj:

Maybe the OP should start a poll to see who thinks it's a toffee and who thinks its a regular albino. It might be kind of a fun thread to keep coming back to with updated pictures.

Personally, I think he nailed it and I predict that those two albino looking snakes will eventually color up to look just like the mature toffee.

:gj::gj::gj::gj::gj::gj::gj::gj:

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Originally Posted by adogunnaike

Finish writing the rest of my quote! You left out the important part... Theres plenty more ADMINT/MODS then just JUDY right? Relax:gj:

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If not Judy then it could be me then. I feel that I've explained myself pretty well. Next time I make a post I'll be sure to run it by you first. :gj:
Names in Red and Green are members too.

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Originally Posted by adogunnaike

Finish writing the rest of my quote! You left out the important part... Theres plenty more ADMINT/MODS then just JUDY right? Relax:gj:

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Judy is the only admin that has participated in this thread up until this point, and you were addressing her post and called out admins AND mods as calling the OP a liar (and none have).

I'm very relaxed! :)