Future Bumble Bee price?

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Originally Posted by jglass38

60+ snakes. Sweet..Still waiting for some of those pics! We LOVE pics! :D

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ive posted many pics here and i do from time to time.

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Originally Posted by nixer

ive posted many pics here and i do from time to time.

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I couldn't find any when searching back through your posts. I figure with all those cool animals you would want to post up pics! :confused:

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I couldn't find any when searching back through your posts. I figure with all those cool animals you would want to post up pics! :confused:

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sure you couldnt because i moved them for more organization not to mention its yet another thing i have not yet finished. just like my rodent racks, remodeling my basement, the 56 F100 restoration, and countless other pokers i have in the fire.

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Originally Posted by nixer

sure you couldnt because i moved them for more organization not to mention its yet another thing i have not yet finished. just like my rodent racks, remodeling my basement, the 56 F100 restoration, and countless other pokers i have in the fire.

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Ahh..I see! Well we would all like to see pics of the collection. :gj:

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Ahh..I see! Well we would all like to see pics of the collection. :gj:

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heres some http://photobucket.com/nixer
but so far i only added my spotnoses from this year

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Originally Posted by nixer

heres some http://photobucket.com/nixer
but so far i only added my spotnoses from this year

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Cool! :banana:

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Originally Posted by Haydenphoto

LOL - He is lazy come on Nix do i need to stop by and take the pics for you :)

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if you stop by you better bring your work clothes because i need to cut some metal for my rodent rack and start getting it welded up i just carried 2 12x12x8' cedar posts out of the basement and im pretty much spent

oh sorry for the thread hijack please contiune the bee discussion.

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Originally Posted by nixer

if you stop by you better bring your work clothes because i need to cut some metal for my rodent rack and start getting it welded up i just carried 2 12x12x8' cedar posts out of the basement and im pretty much spent

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LOL - - - - - NOT ! Ill call you in a few !

Like Adam and a few others pointed out if you have breeder stock a male puts you 2 years ahead because of the length of time to reach sexual maturity as opposed to a female, about 3 years so. Already having the stock a male can be put to work quickly. If you don't have the stock females become more valuable but the wait is longer and you can't have enough of them.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

No. Females are more important.

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I get what you're saying here 100%, however, I'd like to nit pick words with you :P

I think, in a way, that your male(s) are more "important" ... Especially if you only have one male for every 4-5 females (which I think most do), that male better be pretty damn special, because he's going to be passing on his genes to an awful lot of babies.

Soooo, trying to bring it back around to the bumblebee discussion :D , if your male bee is lousy quality, all of his 15+ offspring (assuming you bred him to five girls who laid at least three eggs each) would get his lousy genes. On the other hand, if the bee female you pick up to breed to your triple-co-dom male is a little on the brown side -- at least it's only her clutches that'll be a little bit brown. So in a way, that one male bee is more "important," because he's gonna be influencing the appearance of a larger proportion of your offspring. Your females as a whole may be more important, but each individual is less so.

And again, sorry for nit-picking. :oops:

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

I haven't always thought this way but a good friend put it in perspective when he said "at the end of the day we're only selling snakes with paint jobs".

I look at it like this every breeder should price their animals based on what they think they are worth.. If breeder a produce crappy brown spotty bee's and thinks they are only worth 550.00 shipped that's their right and their more than likely right their only worth 550.00 and that's what their happy getting for them more power to them. But if a breeder produces nice bright clean spotless bees that hold their color and they think they are worth 550.00 still that is also their right. We are getting to the point where a breeder that takes great care in selective breeding can demand a higher price for their animals than on that really doesn't care they just want to produce bees and so they throw any ole Pastel and spider together. Like another friend said "I wouldn't pay 550.00 and expect a 1000.00 paint job any more than I would be happy paying 1000.00 and getting a 550.00 one either".

Yes Bees are easy to get but great Bees not so much. Think to yourself when it gets to be 1500+ grams and 5 years old will I still BEE proud to show it off or will it be "yeah that's just a bee" This goes for any morph base of combo. Are you buying the gene or are you buying the quality.

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i couldnt agree more, in fact from the time i started breeding i was always willing to spend more on a single morph due to how good it looks, in the long run it gives you better looking animals that you can sell for more if you choose to do so. I think the bumble bee is a great example of how different they can look from each other, a bad bee will look brown and spotted as a baby and as they grow they can just look like a regular spider, and not to toot my own horn here but because of my selective breeding these are the bees i've produced!!!!!!!
these should stay nice and yellow as they mature!!!!!!!!:D
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...6/dsc01664.jpg

Well put Frog...i payed $700 in an action after the Daytona show at the Hilton.. I did not see the snake when i did the wolkthrough but i ran into Mr.Graziani and asked him what did you put in the Action? A BEE he sead...I was not looking for one but saw them at the show for $750. So i asked what do you sell them for? he sead he will not sell one for less then $1000. so i went back up and got that badboy...i got a deal and im sure of that...

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Originally Posted by TankMasterOG

Well put Frog...i payed $700 in an action after the Daytona show at the Hilton.. I did not see the snake when i did the wolkthrough but i ran into Mr.Graziani and asked him what did you put in the Action? A BEE he sead...I was not looking for one but saw them at the show for $750. So i asked what do you sell them for? he sead he will not sell one for less then $1000. so i went back up and got that badboy...i got a deal and im sure of that...

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Nothing wrong with that at all. I wouldn't hesitate to pay 1000+ for a kick ass bee.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

I haven't always thought this way but a good friend put it in perspective when he said "at the end of the day we're only selling snakes with paint jobs".

I look at it like this every breeder should price their animals based on what they think they are worth.. If breeder a produce crappy brown spotty bee's and thinks they are only worth 550.00 shipped that's their right and their more than likely right their only worth 550.00 and that's what their happy getting for them more power to them. But if a breeder produces nice bright clean spotless bees that hold their color and they think they are worth 550.00 still that is also their right. We are getting to the point where a breeder that takes great care in selective breeding can demand a higher price for their animals than on that really doesn't care they just want to produce bees and so they throw any ole Pastel and spider together. Like another friend said "I wouldn't pay 550.00 and expect a 1000.00 paint job any more than I would be happy paying 1000.00 and getting a 550.00 one either".

Yes Bees are easy to get but great Bees not so much. Think to yourself when it gets to be 1500+ grams and 5 years old will I still BEE proud to show it off or will it be "yeah that's just a bee" This goes for any morph base of combo. Are you buying the gene or are you buying the quality.

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I hear ya.
However, when buying at a show with no parents (of said neonate) around... it can be hard to tell exactly what you are getting. They change a ton.

I got my Bee for $650 so I mean I didn't think that was that bad at all. But whether the price or not drops. Which I'm sure it will, they are still fantastic snakes.

I am a 1st time snake owner and just purchased a Bee today! His markings and color is just stunning to me!! BUT.. I only paid 260 for him. How do I know if I got a quality snake?

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Originally Posted by inyrdreamz83

I am a 1st time snake owner and just purchased a Bee today! His markings and color is just stunning to me!! BUT.. I only paid 260 for him. How do I know if I got a quality snake?

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Pics

http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/p...3/IMAG0784.jpg

is it a 2012?

he was born in Aug of 2012

I started from the first post and was like "wow... 550 shipped is a terrible price. And I dont remember them being $1000 last year..." Then I saw that this is a thread from 2009...

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Originally Posted by inyrdreamz83

http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/p...3/IMAG0784.jpg

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Sometimes it's difficult to determine with indoor flash pics, but his colors appear clean and yellow. There's no visible dark speckling in his yellow. He has a lot of spots, but i don't mind them. He is a very nice bee. I bet he would look even better if you took pics of him under natural lighting.

What do you guys think of this girl? Just got her last week. She looks pretty clean to me, but this is my first morph. Second pic is a lesser girl I got at the same time. I'll be looking to pick up a male next year, any reccommendations on what a good pairing for these two girls would be?

http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/...pse818c2df.jpg

http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/...psc1ee5272.jpg

That Lesser!

As of feb 4 , I bought a female bee decent looking for 300$
sad but I know the prices are still gonna drop

Is the jury still out on needing quality parents to produce quality offspring? It seemed to be the case in 2009, when this thread started. Have many of you produced good-looking (more yellow, less browned-out) babies using darker pastels and spider parents?

I like the analogy "breed the best to the best, to get the best." Peoples' ideas of "best" will vary, but to me, it'd be a snake that most vividly and long-lastingly exhibits the qualities of a morph that set it apart from a normal.

If it turned out that a browned-out pastel would not reliably produced non-browned-out offspring, I would prefer a breedable normal female over it.

Yet, you're talking to someone who's started out her new breeding program with a subadult recessive male morph, no hets, and a dubious female.. but um.. I bred in the past! lol. I had to have this GS male, though; that, to me, is a dealbreaker in all of this. And I fell into getting the possible female, since some friends were looking to part with her. Traded two cleaned animal skulls for her; I have tons of those, so if she is a he, he'll be a treasured pet at any rate.

I've seen males bees go for around 200-250 in the ohio michigan area. Not crappy ones either. I have a female pastel that started out extremely bright and now is starting to brown at around 1000 grams. Little bit bummed but hafta wait and see if it gets any worse.