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  • 08-06-2009, 12:35 AM
    WingedWolfPsion
    Re: I have 1500 to start up a ball python project what should i jump into.
    I think the idea that balls will wind up like leopard geckos and corn snakes within just 15 years is probably not all that accurate. They just plain breed too slowly for that. It's going to take a lot longer. The first morphs became popular in the 90s and even the oldest and most prolific have not made it down to the same price as normal cbb animals. I'll grant you that male pastels are getting close, with some going for 75, and some normals going for 60, but that's comparing the bottom of the morph bin with the top of the normal bin...they're just not there yet, and it's been a LONG time.
    Co-Dom versus recessive also makes a huge difference.
    Albinos are one of the oldest ball morphs and they are STILL 500 right out of the egg.

    There are a lot of folks making discouraging sounds about the ball python market, but I'm not seeing it. From where I am standing it looks like you can make a 25 to 50% return on your investments with ball pythons, if you are intelligent about what you buy. Yes, it IS wise to get these animals because you love them, not just to make money--you have to, because you're going to be cleaning up a lot of snake poo. ^_^
    But to make dismal predictions about the market? I see no reason for that. I also see no reason to discourage people who are getting in because they think the animals are beautiful and want to make a little bit of money at it. These are the people who are keeping bigger breeders in business. Why tell them it won't be worth their investment?

    I started out 2 years ago with a proven pastel male and a trio of normal proven females. I had the goal right from the beginning of working my way up to do this for a living. I had great luck, and my projections panned out. This is my second year, after much more substantial investments. This year, my projections were about twice what I actually got--but it's still ok, because I accounted for that possibility. I'm still pleased with the results. I'm still about 3 to 5 years away from 'making a living' at it, but there is no evidence at this time that I won't get there. It will be a lot of work (and a lot of snake poo), but if I had listened to folks saying 'you can't make money with ball pythons', I wouldn't be well on my way to my goal (which I am).

    I'm not going to discourage people from this hobby--or from this business. Ball pythons remain a good investment. ANY investment can turn out badly if it's not done with advance research and done wisely. You can't put all your eggs in one basket, and you can't be unrealistic, or you'll fail. But someone who wants to get started with a few animals shouldn't be told they're only pets and can't be an investment. It should just be clear from the start what you're doing--if you want pets, you may be looking at very different animals than if you're looking for the best investment.

    Investing in ball pythons and expecting a profit does NOT mean you don't love the animals. It isn't somehow bad or wrong. It's not an immoral motivation. It is the reason we have beautiful animals like Queen Bees and Fireflies and Crystals to look at, and it's the reason we will have even more special, beautiful, breathtaking morphs to look at in the future.

    Now, new morphs aren't commonly seen going for 50 grand any longer--I'll grant you that. But they are still going for 10 grand on occasion. The way things were was unreasonable, but only at the very top. Right now, we're seeing a more reasonable yearly drop in the prices of most morphs--but it's NOT a huge annual drop, and there's no reason to think it ever will be.

    If we encourage people to enjoy these animals, AND invest in them, then we will continue to see this hobby/business enjoy growth that will support its continuation far into the future.

    But many of the points Envied made are very good--basically, don't quit your day job! If you get 0 hatchlings one year, will you be able to afford to feed your animals and keep them healthy? If the answer is no, you did something wrong somewhere along the way, in your planning. Absolutely do not dive in without a whole lot of backup plans. I've seen a lot of people 'getting out', and when I see their entire collection ad, it's glaringly obvious why--they have a lot of baby animals, and few adults, if any. They needed 3 years to get somewhere, and their collection wasn't supporting itself yet, so when times got tough, they had to get out. They probably lost money as a result.

    If you do go in with a 'hobby' mentality, you won't spend too much, and you won't be disappointed when you don't get what you spent back fast. So it's certainly not a bad choice.
  • 08-06-2009, 01:11 AM
    rareballer
    Re: I have 1500 to start up a ball python project what should i jump into.
    I was never looking for a way to get rich i love snakes of all kind. The 1st boas that i ever got were not intened to make me rich. I got them as pets as soon as i found out there were so many differnt moprhs and such. Was when jumped head first and started breeding differnt moprhs to add to my collection. It would have been nice if i made a few extra buck to keep for my self but what little money i have made over the years i always put it right back into my collection. I plan to do the same with ball pythons. I dont look at breeding snakes as a way to get rich i look at it as a way to expand your collection and in a way i think that breeding them is a kind of a hobby that basicly sustains it self. Other then me feeding them and watering them. If it wasnt for me takeing that risk and breeding boas when i did then i would never have had the boas i do now. As feeding that is not problem i breed my own rats and prob have enough to end world hunger lol jk and i have more then enough space to acomdata wat ever i plane to get.
  • 08-06-2009, 01:45 AM
    PythonWallace
    Re: I have 1500 to start up a ball python project what should i jump into.
    I would get a nice female pastel, a nice female mojave and and a few nice normals, then in a year, get the nicest male you can afford, preferably a co-dom combo. Maybe a pastave, pewter, or bee. If you can't get a combo, I'd get two co-dom males. Maybe a fire and a lesser or an enchi.
  • 08-06-2009, 02:33 AM
    dc4teg
    Re: I have 1500 to start up a ball python project what should i jump into.
    well ya it all sounds good and everything but before you put your money into it make sure you read up on all the bills that are in congress, thats the only thing keeping me from starting a breeding because if i breed and i cant sell most of them i would be losing alot of money on feedings
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