I need help with squares....

So in this case PPSS is a normal.

I just want to see if I have a handle on this too.

Bee (PpSs) x Normal (PPSS)

........PS.....pS.....Ps.....ps
PS....PPSS PpSS PPsS PpSs
PS....PPSS PpSS PPsS PpSs
PS....PPSS PpSS PPsS PpSs
PS....PPSS PpSS PPsS PpSs

PPSS - 25% normal
PpSS - 25% Pastel
PPsS - 25% Spider
PpSs - 25% Bees

Its easy with the upper and lower case P's and S's. You can see clearly that anything with a lower case letter is a visual carrier of a mutant gene and the letter dictates if its pastel or spider or in the case of Bees, two lower case letters, PpSs.

ppSs would be easy to see that is a super pastel spider in the previous square (killer bee).

Considering the absents of a super spider, would Ppss (super spider pastel) represent a regular bee or just be an absent combination?

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Originally Posted by blueapplepaste

Again, using the standard method of capitol letters being wt and lower case being mutant, it makes figuring out CCGg a lot easier.

In this case C/c are for the caramel gene and G/g are for ghost.

So CC = means its wt and not het for caramel as there is no "c". Gg means its het for hypo since there is one G and one g. Because these are both recessive traits, you need to copies for the phenotype to be present.

Thus CCGg would be just a het ghost.

For a caramel glow, the genotype would be ccgg and a 100% wt snake would be CCGG.

Best way is to just take some different combinations and work them out on your own. And try using the capitol letter for wt and lower case for mutant with same letter for each allele on a gene to try and get used to this method.

Trust me when I say in the long run it will be a lot easier than using "n"

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I was getting confused with the capitals again. i was like... why is there caramel and ghost if it only has one ghost gene.

got it

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Originally Posted by jsmorphs2

So in this case PPSS is a normal.

I just want to see if I have a handle on this too.

Bee (PpSs) x Normal (PPSS)

........PS.....pS.....Ps.....ps
PS....PPSS PpSS PPsS PpSs
PS....PPSS PpSS PPsS PpSs
PS....PPSS PpSS PPsS PpSs
PS....PPSS PpSS PPsS PpSs

PPSS - 25% normal
PpSS - 25% Pastel
PPsS - 25% Spider
PpSs - 25% Bees

Its easy with the upper and lower case P's and S's. You can see clearly that anything with a lower case letter is a visual carrier of a mutant gene and the letter dictates if its pastel or spider or in the case of Bees, two lower case letters, PpSs.

ppSs would be easy to see that is a super pastel spider in the previous square (killer bee).

Considering the absents of a super spider, would Ppss (super spider pastel) represent a regular bee or just be an absent combination?

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The Ppss would be a bee with homozygous spider traits so when you do a square im pretty sure it would be Ps ps Ps ps because all genes that are s would show the trait.

for the square you just did the way i used to do it would just be

----S N
P | PS - PN
N | SN - NN

hopefully that works out when i submit but i can still tell that its 25% normal 25% bumblebee 25% spider and 25% pastel. I think it just gets harder once you start doing bumblebeexbumbleebee so you might not be able to do it the way i used to

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Originally Posted by I<3Dreamsicles

hopefully that works out when i submit but i can still tell that its 25% normal 25% bumblebee 25% spider and 25% pastel. I think it just gets harder once you start doing bumblebeexbumbleebee so you might not be able to do it the way i used to

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Its right, but for the wrong reasons, which I think you understand now. The thing with pastel and spider is that they're (co)dominant genes, so you don't have to worry about hets as you can visually see them; i.e. a pastel is technically a het super pastel. Once you start dealing with recessives and hets then it gets more complicated, which is where the upper and lower case comes in handy.

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Originally Posted by jsmorphs2

So in this case PPSS is a normal.

I just want to see if I have a handle on this too.

Bee (PpSs) x Normal (PPSS)

........PS.....pS.....Ps.....ps
PS....PPSS PpSS PPsS PpSs
PS....PPSS PpSS PPsS PpSs
PS....PPSS PpSS PPsS PpSs
PS....PPSS PpSS PPsS PpSs

PPSS - 25% normal
PpSS - 25% Pastel
PPsS - 25% Spider
PpSs - 25% Bees

Its easy with the upper and lower case P's and S's. You can see clearly that anything with a lower case letter is a visual carrier of a mutant gene and the letter dictates if its pastel or spider or in the case of Bees, two lower case letters, PpSs.

ppSs would be easy to see that is a super pastel spider in the previous square (killer bee).

Considering the absents of a super spider, would Ppss (super spider pastel) represent a regular bee or just be an absent combination?

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You're 100% correct! Its my understanding that no known homozygous spiders have been produced, presumably its a lethal combination. So while it would show up on the square, it wouldn't in practice.

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Originally Posted by blueapplepaste

You're 100% correct! Its my understanding that no known homozygous spiders have been produced, presumably its a lethal combination. So while it would show up on the square, it wouldn't in practice.

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:O i thought i read that the superform of spider is homozygous... i wonder why they didnt mention that little bit

Thought I'd mention this.
http://www.geneticswizard.com/a_R3_calc.asp

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Originally Posted by blueapplepaste

You're 100% correct! Its my understanding that no known homozygous spiders have been produced, presumably its a lethal combination. So while it would show up on the square, it wouldn't in practice.

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Yeah, I love science class! I'm just glad I understand double co-dom squares. Now triple co-dom squares scare me. Maybe I'll try one for homework tonight.

:w00t:

Ok, here is my go at a triple co-dom x normal square. How'd I do? Well I think I messed up already cause pinstripe & spider are dominant, so it would be ppBbss, oh well, easy enough fix I guess. Uuuggg....


https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...2/4/square.gif

Good effort! But, you could have saved yourself a whole lot of time because a normal can only throw PBS, nothing else. So, one line only is necessary. The odds are still the same.