Can you list bp morphs and sub morphs?

I thought I was getting the hang of this genetics thing now its time to get back to the drawing board... I seen that list an all i could say is DAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Old post, but lots of morphs here : www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/

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Originally Posted by aff19802

My girlfriend (ms.aff19802) asked how many morphs there were an i could only name of the top of my head

Pastel-lemon grazanni black
pied - and any thing combo
spider
pin
spinner -
blast
bee - many versons
ghost
yellowbelly

How many can you name or just add to the list...

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Black pastels are not a pastel line. Pastel lines are all compatible with each other, while black pastels are compatible with cinnamons. Pastel lines are VPI, Graziani, Ruppel, Bell, Lemon (NERD), Blond Matrix, etc., etc.


Here is a partial list from my website.

Simple Recessive mutations

Albino
Axanthic
Caramel Albino
Clown
Genetic Stripe
Ghost/Hypomelanistic
Lavendar Albino
Piebald
Toffee Ball

Co-dominant mutations

Banana (Coral Glow)
Black Pastel
Butter
Calico
Champagne
Cinnamon
Enchi (Enchi Pastel)
Fire
Goblin
Granite
Het Red Axanthic
Lesser Platinum
Lori Ball
Mojave
Mystic
Pastel
Phantom
Red Stripe
Sable
Spector
Special
Spotnose
Sulfur
Vanilla (Thunder)
Woma
Yellow Belly

Dominant Mutations

Banded (genetic)
Black Back (genetic)
Pinstripe
Spider
Wild Type (Normal)

Super Co-dominants - Homozygous Co-doms

Super Pastel (Opal)
Super Cinnamon
Super Black Pastel
Pearl (Super Woma)
Super Enchi
Super Vanilla (Lightning)
Super Granite
Super Calico
Blue Eyed Leucistic (BEL)
Super Mojave, Super Lesser, Super Butter, Super Vin Russo
Any combination of the BEL complex snakes
Black Eyed Leucistic (Super Fire, Super Sulfur)
Ivory (Super Yellow Belly, Super Goblin)
Red Axanthic
Super Lori Ball
Super Phantom
Super Sable
Super Special
Powerball (Super Spotnose)

Combo/Designer Morphs (Just getting started here)

Bumble bee
Pewter
Black Pewter
Pastel Yellow Belly
Pastave
Wannabee
Lesser Bee
Queen Bee
Silver Streak
Silver Bullet
Cinnacal
Pastel Calico
Enchi Lesser
Yellow Belly Mojave
Yellow Belly Sulfur Mojave
Super Stripe
Crystal
Cinnamon Albino
Pewter Albino
Mimosa
Champin
King Pin
Lemon Blast
Platinum (Platty Daddy)
Snow
Spinner
Spinner Blast
Firefly
Tiger
Pumpkin Pied
Pastel Piebald
Panda Pied
Pied Clown
Axanthic Pied
Super Black Pastel Albino
POG
SPOG
Mystic Potion
Mystic Mojave
Graphite Ivory

1,000s more...

Been a long time since I had any type of math but I think there should only be 1830 possible combinations when each is also allowed to breed with it's type, nowhere near in the millions with only 60 types. Maybe I'm wrong though...

If you have a snake with 50 co-dom genes in it, you would have to say 2 ^ 50 to find to amount of outcome when bred to a normal.

And that amount is big ;)

Yes but you are looking 60 snakes breeding in pairs. 1 snake breeds to 60 snakes = 60. You have 60 different snakes breeding to 60 snakes = 60 x 60. Not only that but for every iteration you have to remove one for the set that was previously done in the last iteration. It has to be different than number combinations. I think it's a little different than a 2 digit number combination which results in many many many possibilities. Now if you start looking at combo morphs with up to 60 combos bred to 60 combos then your numbers could get way up there.

Yeah, but can you name them all in reverse alphabetical order standing on one foot and touching the tip of your nose?

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Originally Posted by yellermelon

Yeah, but can you name them all in reverse alphabetical order standing on one foot and touching the tip of your nose?

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:8: you funny

http://www.snake-zone.com/genetics/list/

http://imageevent.com/livingartrepti...lpythonsmorphs

because I like arguing math:

My old post about !120 possible combinations given 60 base morphs is wrong.. I assumed !(2 x number of base morphs), given combinations for both heterozygous and homozygous expressions of the genes.. but that would only be correct if an animal could be both het and homo for the same morph (duh im stupid)

let's take a look at possible combinations if only one morph existed. Lets do albino.
normal
het albino
albino
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3 possible combinations
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let's take a look at possible combinations if just 2 morphs existed. For this example, I'll pick cinny and albino.

possible combinations:

normal
cinny (het for cinny gene)
super cinny (homo for cinny gene)
het albino
albino
cinny het albino
cinny albino
super cinny het albino
super cinny albino
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9 possible combinations
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again with 3 morphs: cinny, albino, and pastel

normal
cinny
super cinny
het albino
albino
pastel
super pastel
cinny het albino
cinny albino
cinny pastel
cinny super pastel
cinny pastel het albino
cinny pastel albino
cinny super pastel het albino
cinny super pastel albino
super cinny pastel
super cinny super pastel
super cinny het albino
super cinny albino
super cinny pastel het albino
super cinny pastel albino
super cinny super pastel het albino
super cinny super pastel albino
pastel het albino
pastel albino
super pastel het albino
pastel albino

Did I get them all?
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27 possible combinations
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Interesting.. this looks like it is going up by powers of 3..
Gawd it has been too long since I did any enumerative combinatorics, I'm busting my head right now to solve and prove how many possible combinations there are with 60 base morphs.. lol i'm such a nerd