Graphite Sired Ivories

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

AFAIK they are and Ian G is producing YB and OB in the same clutch....

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It couldn't be as simple as YB + OB in the same snake makes graphite could it (sort of like YB + Specter makes super stripe while YB + YB makes ivory)? I guess that could be disproven if Ian G's isn't a graphite (does he have a single white snake that produces both YB and OB bred to normal?). Wonder if graphite could vary on quality and show late making it even harder to figure out. But if this is another allele complex with YB, OB, specter (and whirlwind if different than specter) it might be pretty easy to predict. Maybe homozygous OB X Ivory would produce 100% graphite.

That would be interesting Randy

I actually was thinking about calling Ben and possibly acquiring some YB and/or OB to work with.....I absolutely love the Graphites

I am actually picking up an Ian G OB sometime this week. I will post pictures once I get her. $300 for her and I believe she is about 500g, not a bad deal, and I can hopefully add my breedings to the confusion. :D

Going to pick up my OB right now. :D

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

I have a male yellowbelly and we have been looking into getting a female for him since he is already breeding (all 388 grams of him) and I am very interested in this project.

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Your yellowbelly may not be compatible. It might be worth trying though. The odds are that the genes are probablly different right(similar to a cinni and black pastel)?

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

Your yellowbelly may not be compatible. It might be worth trying though. The odds are that the genes are probablly different right(similar to a cinni and black pastel)?

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YB and OB are compatible... and both are from the Ian G Line. :gj:

Some are beginning to believe the graphite is the result of YB and OB... Not sure.

Ill post pics of her after she sheds. :cool:

People think of yb and ob as two seperate morphs---it is not---it is completely compatible---I like to compare it to lemon pastel vs regualr pastel-however there may be even more to it than that. In my opinion, there are 3 types of yellowbellies----

YELLOWBELLIES-yellow color-grow up looking more "normal" and are the hardest to distinguish as babies--these are the ones that people think--is this a yb? The adults can sometimes be tough to tell, and as a matter of fact, I just had one prove this year, that I did not think was a yellowbelly.

ORANGEBELLIES-more orange-more vibrant flames-obvious yellowbellies with great color and normally get prettier with age. My original male is 7 years old and still orange and pretty-I coined the name from him, and I call his offspring orangebelly bloodline animals. I have seen other peoples offspring to me that look like orangebellies. I have yet to see someone else produce a graphite, so maybe they are the same thing, maybe not.

BLACK YELLOWBELLIES-these animal are very dark and probably the most uncommon. My original adult female was an import that everyone said back in the day was not a yellowbelly. She proved for me and I still have her. She is a dark animal and has several white scale clumps(4or 5 scales)-I have seen others like her, and they also had the white scale clumps.

GRAPHITE-We produced our original grahite male by breeding our orangebelly male to a wild yellowbelly female. This same year we traded some orangebellys to Mike Bell for some albino balls. Mike raised those and produced ivories one of which has graphite speckling although not as extreme, it is still a graphite. So for him ob x ob made a graphite. Last year we bred our graphite male to one of his half sister orangebellies and produced 2 graphites. One was a very nice male that we sold to one of our friends, and one was a female that was not very extreme, that we kept. We have eggs again from that same female bred to our graphite ivory male, and I am sure we will have graphites again this year. All of this leads me to believe, that the graphite trait lies within the original orangebelly male that we imported ourselves. All of the non ivory offspring that our graphite male produces look like orangebellies as well. This year should clear a few questions up and should be interesting.

Our graphite last year made a paradox animal when bred to a normal, as well as another ivory type that we called an ultra ivory. Neat looking little critter, almost looks like a superstripe ivory(pics are on our site)-more questions and less answers, but that is why I love the entire yb complex--it is truly mysterious. We have graphite x superpaintball eggs incubating as well as graphite x 2 other dinker females that are very awesome--hopefully we will see some other neat stuff.

Thank you so much Ben!

I just picked up an Ian G OB yesterday. And there is no mistaking that she is a part of the YB complex AT ALL. Her belly is unique and we just have a craving to create an Ivory. I wish she had that hidden gene for the Graphite, but I highly doubt it.

Once your clutches hatch out from the Graphite Sire post them up in here, I would love to see more about this project!! :bow:

Ben,

what do you think the odds are with a OB sired by the graphite,to produce anothe r graphite with a yb of another line,or would best resualts be a pair of graphite sired ob?

guessing from just looking at what has been produced so far, and how it has been produced, I would think pretty slim, but honestly I dont know for sure. I think more will be revealed this season though.