Best starter morph?

A serious answer: Get an albino male, and an adult het albino female.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

The most expensive one you can afford. That's my smart a## answer for the day. If you would like to breed, you can recoup your money faster that way, however, remember that you will clean and feed whatever you buy for at least 20 years.

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most definitely. if I end up with retired breeders, they become part of the family or go to new homes (after inspection and such) for free, most likely with close friends and family that I can rely on to take proper care of them. If they end up not getting the proper care I'd be more than willing to take them back.

I'd be a caretaker first and a breeder second, I won't mix my priorities. :gj:

cant go wrong with a lesser :yes:

I just purchased 1.2 BHB line 08 het clowns for just under $1000.

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Originally Posted by nicktreb

I just purchased 1.2 BHB line 08 het clowns for just under $1000.

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Yes! I would get 2 or 3 female hets and then after a year get the male homocygote. Since it takes more for a female to be ready to breed, this way you dont need to spend everything righ now.

get a mojave and lesser with a couple breeder size normals and produce a couple whos your daddy clutches............... might hit the jackpot and get a lucy..... hey you never know then you can breed the lucy to whatever your heart desires and go crazy with combos!!! :gj:

It really depends on what your short term and long range goals are. I know, I hate answers like that too.

But, if you need to make some $$ back within a year to continue to raise your animals and add to your collection, then buy a popular co-dom like the examples given and 3 adult female proven breeder normals between 1500 and 2000 grams. A male bumblebee is always my first choice for a codom because you can get 3 morphs when bred to a female, but a lesser, butter, or mojave are great too. You should be able to recoup your initial investment in about a year.

If short term $$ is not necessary they you have more options. You can go the route of trying to prove out hets; always fun when you prove one out but this is easily a long-term project if it doesn't prove out in the first or second breedings. Or you can buy a recessive homozygous male (albino would be in your price range as mentioned by Winged Wolf above) and a couple of older juvenile proven breeder female hets. This is a shorter term projects but hets can be very hard to sell if you don't have a name yet. If you go this route, take pics of the male and female as they lock up . . . this will give some "proof" if the potential buyers are interested.

Good luck and tell us what you decide.

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Originally Posted by th3jok3r

get a mojave and lesser with a couple breeder size normals and produce a couple whos your daddy clutches............... might hit the jackpot and get a lucy..... hey you never know then you can breed the lucy to whatever your heart desires and go crazy with combos!!! :gj:

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You wouldn't be able to get a leucistic in that fashion. In order to get a leucistic you need to have the 'het' for leucistic gene on both sides of the parentage...you might at best get a double sired clutch which would have mojaves and lessers, but there would be no chance of a leucistic from pairing a mojave and lesser to a normal. The male's sperm cannot interact in that way.

Personally I'd go with the idea of several poss het females and a 100% het male, or a homo male if you'd like, because recessives retain their value for longer and as such you'd be less likely to spend $1000 now on a breeding project which won't mature until the same project could be bought for $500 or something due to the way codom prices have been bottoming out, if you're looking at this purely from a investment-return scenario. However, I do think that the best idea is to get the animal that you are the happiest with. Get something that you would genuinely love to own, and then it won't matter to you if they end up not producing for five years--it'd be okay, because you would love the animals!

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Originally Posted by th3jok3r

get a mojave and lesser with a couple breeder size normals and produce a couple whos your daddy clutches............... might hit the jackpot and get a lucy..... hey you never know then you can breed the lucy to whatever your heart desires and go crazy with combos!!! :gj:

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How would you get a BEL from breeding both a Mojave and Lesser to a normal? Only one sire per egg. You can multiple sire a clutch, but each egg only receives one set of genes. There is no way possible to get a BEL from that combo.

I just bought a 1.0 albino, 1.0 pastel, 1.0 spider and .1 het albino. I plan on buying a few more female het albinos, either a pastel or spider female and a few breeder sized normals to start with. It also just depends on whether I come across some good deals on near breeder sized morph females, ya never know.

Any $ I make from that will probably be used to fund pied's. I'm DYING to own a pied.