Provent-A-Mite

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

every place i go to say they wont carry it because its not legally approved for use on pets in Canada, there fore the cannot sell it. including straight from my herp vets mouth. he tried to sell me reptile relief in place.

sure they could be carrying it. but it doesn't change the fact that its not an approved pesticide for use in Canada.

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Why is it that a major chain retailer like Big Al's sells it? As well as every reptile shop in Ontario I've ever visited...
Not to mention, several people at the ontario reptile expo have several cans for sale at almost every show I go to

It baffles me because I have two cans sitting on the shelf beside me and both of them were purchased in Canada; One just last month. As well, a few friends of mine purchased some PAM last week.

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Originally Posted by Pandora

Why is it that a major chain retailer like Big Al's sells it? As well as every reptile shop in Ontario I've ever visited...
Not to mention, several people at the ontario reptile expo have several cans for sale at almost every show I go to

It baffles me because I have two cans sitting on the shelf beside me and both of them were purchased in Canada; One just last month. As well, a few friends of mine purchased some PAM last week.

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im just going by what i was told. no need to get upset.

And as of Mar 4th 2009, Provincial Gov is setting up to announce a ban on residential use of all external pesticides. which has been in effect in my county for 2 years now. maybe this is why i have a hard time finding it and have gotten the answer i did.

can you direct me to where it is for sale on there website as it would be easier to order from there. The dont seem to carry it at Big Al's

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

every place i go to say they wont carry it because its not legally approved for use on pets in Canada, there fore the cannot sell it. including straight from my herp vets mouth. he tried to sell me reptile relief in place.

sure they could be carrying it. but it doesn't change the fact that its not an approved pesticide for use in Canada.

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I was curious if you knew the actual wording on the ban, since PAM is not actually used on the pet at all.

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

im just going by what i was told. no need to get upset.

And as of Mar 4th 2009, Provincial Gov is setting up to announce a ban on residential use of all external pesticides. which has been in effect in my county for 2 years now. maybe this is why i have a hard time finding it and have gotten the answer i did.

can you direct me to where it is for sale on there website as it would be easier to order from there. The dont seem to carry it at Big Al's

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I know I get pciky from time to time, but so does government. Maybe I am a little confused by the above statement. What is the definition of external? If that is the actual verbage, it was poorly written, and porrly written legislation is always up for clarification (i.e. "loop holes" will exist).

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Originally Posted by muddoc

I was curious if you knew the actual wording on the ban, since PAM is not actually used on the pet at all.



I know I get pciky from time to time, but so does government. Maybe I am a little confused by the above statement. What is the definition of external? If that is the actual verbage, it was poorly written, and porrly written legislation is always up for clarification (i.e. "loop holes" will exist).

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any public pesticide use (law pesticide. weed pesticide for example) except that of which is required for agricultural use has been banned in the province of ontario since april 22nd 09. they bill was presented on april 4th 09. but this has been in effect in my county for much longer. RAID any of that stuff your not supposed to use outside any more.


as for pam i was told by my herp vet that he could not sell me any because it wasn't approved for use in Canada because it contains a neural toxin. there for could not be used on or for pet use. like i said going by what i was told. and also havn't been able to find it locally ever. last reptile expo i went to in the GTA area also didn't have any there. so i asumed what i was told to be accurate. if im wrong thats cool just means i SHOULD be able to find a closer and cheaper source then my previous one. i welcome some one to point me in the direction.

also, @ Pandora Big Al's does not carry PAM according to there online store and catalog.

That's cool. It sounds more clear now, and that there aren't any loop holes in it. I was just trying to help if possible.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

That's cool. It sounds more clear now, and that there aren't any loop holes in it. I was just trying to help if possible.

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not unless your a farmer and you can prove it. the weeds stay on ur lawn and u cant spray them pesky bees.

Now, what you may want to try would be some type of Lice Bedding spray. The only down side to that I see, is that in Canada, it may be a prescription only product. It technically is a pesticide, but is used for human treatments. The Lice spray / PAM debate has been gone over numerous times, and most agree that it is not as effective or safe, but sometimes drastic circumstances call for drastic measures.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

Now, what you may want to try would be some type of Lice Bedding spray. The only down side to that I see, is that in Canada, it may be a prescription only product. It technically is a pesticide, but is used for human treatments. The Lice spray / PAM debate has been gone over numerous times, and most agree that it is not as effective or safe, but sometimes drastic circumstances call for drastic measures.

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first thing i always do is soak the snake when i find mites. thats step one regardless of what you use to kill them. that provides almost immediate relief for the animal.

I'm not going to say anything that goes against the TOS of bp.net but just let me say this:

i live in NY state at the moment and have for the last 4 years.

i have a can of PAM.

i did not bring the can with me from PA (where i'm originally from).

Well upon further research P-A-M doesn't have the Pest Management Regulatory Agency (PMRA) of Health Canada through the Pest Control Products Act. seal of approval on the can so technically. unless my can is out dated its not approved for sale in Canada.

which explains why no online pet stores list the product that i can find. With out this seal of approval it means it has not been reviewed by the Pest Management Regulatory Agency and is not supposed to be sold in Canada. but again my can could be old or something.

"Registration will be granted if the pesticide's safety and value for its proposed use are found to be acceptable. With registration, the manufacturer must ensure that specific guidelines and information appear on the product's label. "

http://pestcontrolcanada.com/Pestici...pesticides.htm so i don't know :S

the active ingredient in PAM "permethrin" is also on the class 9 pesticide ban list for Ontario, Canada.