Manny Ramirez

I'm not a huge baseball fan in the slightest, but I did hear about this and I didn't feel that it was entirely his fault. As someone mentioned above it was a pregnancy hormone (also used to spark late puberty in boys) was prescribed to him by a doctor who didn't know this substance was banned with the new restrictions passed in the mlb (in 2003 i think)

I know that 7 mil that hes losing out of his 25 mil salary will hurt though .......... kinda.

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

Dylan i was reading the test intially showed artificial testosterone which made them do more involved testing which revealed the HGC. So who knows whats going on. I dont think the story of my doctor gave it to me for personal reasons is true unless Manny was trying to get pregnant.

The guy is an amazing talent but not a very smart individual.

Personally I dont like the steriods but if any normal person took steroids they are still not going to be able to hit a 95 mph fastball, that is talent.

Unfortunately as Jo said so many kids look up to these guys and if they do it kids are gonna think thats what makes them great and possibly try it.

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Raul, I hadn't heard about the elevated test levels until this morning. I bet he was on a cycle then stopped before the season and then took the hCG to get his natural production back up...If I were to speculate, that would be my guess.

I do, however, agree with everything else you've said. I'm not sure when or if he took the roids, but regardless, Manny Ramirez is regarded by many, including myself, to be the best right handed hitter of all time. I mean, the man had 165 RBI's one year in Cleveland. That does not mean he's a smart one though. I feel the same way about Bonds, except I think he just thought he was invincible. He was a 30-30 guy with the Pirates and then moved to the Giants and his head got the size of a hot air balloon and he gains 40 lb and viola, he hits 73 HR

Like I said in my OP, just give these guys a separate record book and let them do to themselves what they please, this era is already tainted.

The times when athletes were good role models are over. You don't have anymore Kareems in the NBA, Roberto Clementes or Hank Aarons in the MLB...shoot I can't really think of any good role models in the NFL. Warrick Dunn maybe...but I digress. They don't see themselves as role models for the most part and (i think) it was Charles Barkley that said he personally didn't want to be a role model. When I was in the elementary/middle school age, I saw what these guys were doing on and off the field and as a young athlete, I had to admire their physical talents, but couldn't admire them as a person because they were always getting arrested. My parents raised me to be one way and these guys were living life a different way, which I thought was wrong, so I never really had an athlete "role model' even though sports were my life until I was 18. I don't know how to solve the role model crisis that is going on with athletes, but I would guess that if so many parents didn't live and die on the successes and failures of their favorite sports teams(college athletes are just as bad as pros) then you would see a lot fewer kids looking up so much to the athletes.

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*EDIT* Oh...and Manny couldn't give a rat's tail about 7M...that's chump change to him and all of the other megastars