Has it been created

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Originally Posted by kc261

I agree that if one is curious what a potential combo would look like, the best way to find out is to make it rather than asking on a forum (unless it has already been made). However, it takes rather a long time, and isn't necessarily very practical.

In some cases, we have no idea why a morph creates the look it does, and it is very hard to predict what a combo will look like.

In the case of the axanthic genes, we know pretty much exactly what they do, so it is much easier to predict what an axanthic combo will look like. Specifically, the axanthic gene reduces (pretty much eliminates) the production or expression of the yellow pigment cells, which I believe are called xanthospores. So, in a snake that already shows very little yellow, reducing or eliminating it should have very little effect.

That is not to say it is impossible that there will be an unexpected outcome, just highly unlikely. It is even possible that one of the 3 known axanthic genes would create an interesting effect, while the other 2 behave in the way we expect in this combo. So go ahead and make all 3 versions of it if you want. Personally, I'd rather use my breeding efforts in a direction likely to make something a little more interesting than an axanthic super cinnamon that may be indistinguishable from a regular super cinnamon.

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dude you just had to say something mr.know it all the second ...:cool:

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Originally Posted by Anarchy

dude you just had to say something mr.know it all the second ...:cool:

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I'm neither a dude nor a mr., and I certainly am not even close to knowing it all. :confuzd:

How about do your own research like everyone else on here has and after you have exhausted all other resources then ask on here.

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Originally Posted by Anarchy

dude you just had to say something mr.know it all the second ...:cool:

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Ok, since you seem to be the real expert what will be the outcome?

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Originally Posted by stangs13

Ok, since you seem to be the real expert what will be the outcome?

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I never said i knew the outcome detective !:colbert:

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Originally Posted by Anarchy

I never said i knew the outcome detective !:colbert:

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Brilliant:colbert2:

Am I allowed an opinion? :rolleyes:

Axanthic removes yellow pigment, thats what it is/does/means. I can't see a gene that removes yellow pigment doing much to a brown snake. I suspect this is why you never seen cinnie het axanthics for sale. Any breeder contemplating doing it has obviously decided it's not worth the investment as far as time and animal usage goes.

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Originally Posted by Anarchy

dude you just had to say something mr.know it all the second ...:cool:

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Originally Posted by tattlife2001

How about do your own research like everyone else on here has and after you have exhausted all other resources then ask on here.

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Originally Posted by Anarchy

I never said i knew the outcome detective !:colbert:

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Seriously, What is with all of the new members lately with attitudes on BP.net?
Seems like every other thread I have read this morning has some new member being rude & disrespectful to other members both new and old.

Actually, Chris at Gulf Coast Reptiles produced an Axanthic Black Pastel, and it was a darn good looking animal. He actually has some Black Pastel Het Axanthics for sale right now. With that said, it is one of those projects that sometimes doesn't have to go to the end (i.e. the Super Black Pastel or Cinny form), but has a middle of the road form that looks great.

Another great example of this is one of my favorite snakes in my collection. The Hypo Mojave is an astounding looking animal, however, the Hypo gene doesn't do much to the Super Mojave that makes it strikingly different.

Just my .02,

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Originally Posted by mason

Am I allowed an opinion? :rolleyes:

Axanthic removes yellow pigment, thats what it is/does/means. I can't see a gene that removes yellow pigment doing much to a brown snake. I suspect this is why you never seen cinnie het axanthics for sale. Any breeder contemplating doing it has obviously decided it's not worth the investment as far as time and animal usage goes.

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dude you cant speak for every breeder out there i bet someone will contemplate doing it and maybe it is worth the investment as far as time goes you NEVER KNOW ..... :cool: