Attention needed once again

Wow i guess i am NOT the only one whom thinks this needed to be brought to our attention :rolleyes:. http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=90937

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Wow i guess i am NOT the only one whom thinks this needed to be brought to our attention :rolleyes:. http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=90937

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My response here is not towards Ladyohh

I thought the bill sounded okay, until I read it through a second time.
The swap meet thing MIGHT be an issue, but the part that says that no exchange shall take place in a parkingl ot or blah blah.. that actually would make it illegil for people selling person-to-person to meet somewhere to exchange an animal even if they are previously paid the money via say paypal, or were doing a swap animal-for-animal. The "deal" would be made in the parking lot, so would be illegil.
If you breed a few animals, and wanted to sell, other than shipping, you would not be able to meet up to give the person the animal under this law.
The flea market thing also would shut down small pet places at even INDOOR flea markets, in addition to any sales at any outdoor market, or event.
ALSO, with california already drowning in debt, and having to cut back essential things in order to try to stay afloat, why would anyone put up something NEW to enforce, which states absolutely in it, that the state of California will be finiancially responsible for?

So all in all, I'm not sure that it was absolutely outlaw reptile shows... but it is NOT a good thing the way it's worded currantly.

My $0.02

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

I thought the bill sounded okay, until I read it through a second time.
The swap meet thing MIGHT be an issue, but the part that says that no exchange shall take place in a parkingl ot or blah blah.. that actually would make it illegil for people selling person-to-person to meet somewhere to exchange an animal even if they are previously paid the money via say paypal, or were doing a swap animal-for-animal. The "deal" would be made in the parking lot, so would be illegil.
If you breed a few animals, and wanted to sell, other than shipping, you would not be able to meet up to give the person the animal under this law.
The flea market thing also would shut down small pet places at even INDOOR flea markets, in addition to any sales at any outdoor market, or event.
ALSO, with california already drowning in debt, and having to cut back essential things in order to try to stay afloat, why would anyone put up something NEW to enforce, which states absolutely in it, that the state of California will be finiancially responsible for?

So all in all, I'm not sure that it was absolutely outlaw reptile shows... but it is NOT a good thing the way it's worded currantly.

My $0.02

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Thanks for pointing that detail out :gj:

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Well its enough to alert USARK.You can read it how you want but its here for everyone to read and form thier own opinion if its important to them or not ;)

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I agree 100%. If it's enough to alert USARK, then it should be for all of us! Seems they did a few changes after HR 669. I tried to send an e-mail and it bouced back from everyone, becuase I'm not a California resident. Blah! I still want to speak up for Californian's :D

I have a question related to this legislation.. How are expos viewed by the law? Does anyone know?

I would assume that both the terms "swap meet" and "flea market" (albeit temporary flea market) would possibly apply.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

I have a question related to this legislation.. How are expos viewed by the law? Does anyone know?

I would assume that both the terms "swap meet" and "flea market" (albeit temporary flea market) would possibly apply.

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Herein lies the rub.

This has been amended twice. USARK and PIJAC has had ample opportunity to chime in and make sure that our hobby was safe from this legislation. Other groups have had their activities specifically excluded from the bill.

Why? Because this is a bill targeted at a specific activity that any animal lover would find odious. Blindly targeting the bill as unfair would continue to doom the transactions that this bill is aimed at protecting animals from.

My suggestion would be to have USARK and PIJAC put their collective heads together and require that the bill define "swap meet" and/or add reptile shows and expos to the already long list of exclusions.

Sending mailers out to people to torpedo legislation that's actually aimed at preventing a type of animal abuse because they were late in jumping in on the amendment process is, well, stupid.

No one can argue that AB 1122 is not vaguely written and badly worded. Here is a link to a letter outlining ways that it could be improved and amended to eliminate confusion about reptile shows, handing off purchases in neutral locations, etc.

http://www.usspco.com/id19.html

I recommend reading the whole thing - not just skimming through it and jumping to conclusions about what the author is trying to say......

They canceled it :banana::banana::banana: