Sable vs Chocolate

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Originally Posted by sg1trogdor

Well I dont see where it is listed as being the same on the site that ad that you linked us to while is obviously on the NERD site is not being sold by NERD. Look at the user name "evilmorphgod"

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"evilmorphgod" is Kevin, the owner of NERD.

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Originally Posted by LGL

"evilmorphgod" is Kevin, the owner of NERD.

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Ahh gotcha I just saw some ads actually said NERD and a few had that as a username.

Yeah. I can see how that is confusing. "evilmorphgod" is Kevin, "KLG" is Kara, and I'm not sure if "NERD" would be for employees or what.

I've been trying to learn about chocolate and sable for a while now as I've got a line of similar animals that I’m trying to identify. Someone who had worked with them once posted that they thought chocolate and sable might be alleles (two different mutations of the same gene). Sort of like an earlier poster compared to the relationship between lesser and mojave. I don't remember if they had breedings to prove it (like a sable\\chocolate always producing only chocolates and sables but no normals) or if it was just a hunch. Both are considered co-dominant mutations with the heterozygous forms being chocolate or sable and the homozygous (not really correct to call "dominant" as the mutation type is still co-dominant) forms being super chocolate or super sable respectively.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

I've been trying to learn about chocolate and sable for a while now as I've got a line of similar animals that I’m trying to identify. Someone who had worked with them once posted that they thought chocolate and sable might be alleles (two different mutations of the same gene). Sort of like an earlier poster compared to the relationship between lesser and mojave. I don't remember if they had breedings to prove it (like a sable\\chocolate always producing only chocolates and sables but no normals) or if it was just a hunch. Both are considered co-dominant mutations with the heterozygous forms being chocolate or sable and the homozygous (not really correct to call "dominant" as the mutation type is still co-dominant) forms being super chocolate or super sable respectively.

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whats up randy its mario from empireballpython, i got that cool male from you at the show a year ago, and hes really starting to look impressive, i have had a couple big breeders say that he is almost 100% sure hes a chocolate, just thought you might like to know that!!

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Originally Posted by SUPERBALLS

chocolates make differnt combos, a super chocolate is different then a super sable, and chocolate pinstripes are a lot better looking that sable pin too
they are similar but they are two seperate morphs! check out bhbs chocolates they look way different then any sable on the market and there supers are amazing!!

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I can't say that I agree with you at all. I believe that a Super Sable Pin will look identical to a Camo Ball (Super Chocolate Pin). Hence the reason I have been working on this project for 2 years now. Last year my female didn't go, so I am trying the Sable Pin again. On that note, I would sure love for you to direct me to a picture of the Sable Pin you speak of, as I don't know of anyone that has done that yet.

Excelent question Jeremy. Hopefully in the next few years, we will find some more definitive answers to that question.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

I can't say that I agree with you at all. I believe that a Super Sable Pin will look identical to a Camo Ball (Super Chocolate Pin). Hence the reason I have been working on this project for 2 years now. Last year my female didn't go, so I am trying the Sable Pin again. On that note, I would sure love for you to direct me to a picture of the Sable Pin you speak of, as I don't know of anyone that has done that yet.

Excelent question Jeremy. Hopefully in the next few years, we will find some more definitive answers to that question.

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so your telling me a sable looks the same to a chocolate like the one on bhb, and if there hasnt been a sable pin made how do you know what a super sable pin will look, so your saying your right with no proof yet!!!

finally nice to hear some "chocolate talk"...

... I bought a 2008 male a few months ago.

Brandon

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Originally Posted by BrandonsBalls

finally nice to hear some "chocolate talk"...

... I bought a 2008 male a few months ago.

Brandon

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Let's see it! :)

i personally like chocolates a lot, i dont like the sables as much because they just dont look as good as chocolates, they are deffinitly seperate morphs, atleast good examples of chocolates are different then sables, i have seen ads for chocolates that look like sables, but if you really look at a sable and (i know i keep using this example its just really good) a bhb chocolate, they are completly different, sables are more granitey and chocolates are very dark and diffined, plus a super sable looks nothing like a super chocolate, look up any pics of super sables then go to snakebytes tv and watch the ball python mutations episode and see there super chocolate, tottaly different, thats hard evidence!!