HR669 is Illegal according to the US Constitution

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Originally Posted by cenobite74

Here is what gets me. Say this passes and my BP's and geckos are illegal. I'm no longer allowed to own any "non-native" or "invasive" species anymore. However I live in Alabama. And there are no regulations concerning the buying, selling or release of native venomous snakes. Now where is the logic in that?

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In Georgia you can't sell native species and you can't keep non-venomous native species but I can keep a copperhead if I want, without a permit at that.

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Originally Posted by cenobite74

Here is what gets me. Say this passes and my BP's and geckos are illegal. I'm no longer allowed to own any "non-native" or "invasive" species anymore. However I live in Alabama. And there are no regulations concerning the buying, selling or release of native venomous snakes. Now where is the logic in that?

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This bill isn't about protecting people(for the most part), it's about protecting the environment. Releasing a native venomous snake into Alabama isn't going to hurt the environment.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

In Georgia you can't sell native species and you can't keep non-venomous native species but I can keep a copperhead if I want, without a permit at that.

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Georgia has odd captives laws that I don't understand the purpose of.

nobody said the gov't was filled with brainiacs!!!! I just hope that our "voice" is/was loud enough to be heard to make a dent in the heads of some of the knuckle heads trying to "rule" this country.

I was talking to the lady that ownes the pet store in Marksville,La. She had tgve up a marmaset (sp?) monkey that she owned for years when La. passed amaking it illegal to own a primate. She said it was so sad for her. The little monkey was adopted out of state. So there is no doubt in my mind that this bill can actually pass also. I have a hamster, tons of fish, and my snakes that I do not want to part with. Monday in school I am going to talk to my class about HR669. I am hoping to get a massive amount of emails out before Tuesday.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

Georgia has odd captives laws that I don't understand the purpose of.

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Georgia's a very spiteful state.

I hate the HR669 bill but i have read up on it. The best way to attack something is to to know all about what you are attacking, and the bill does stat however that any animal in your possession before the bill is passed is ok, but transporting between stats will be a nono

BOOOO ON HR669

to think that the purpose of this bill is to protect the welfare of "wild" animals and the "native" lands of the united states is completely crazy.

the animals that are collected in the wild for the pet trade, would either be eaten or collected for some other trade such as skins. like it or not, this is how it is with other cultures.

as far as protecting the native lands in the united states, Give me a break. if you believe this you are drinking kool aid. If this was the case, cats would've been outlawed many years ago. They are the most invasive and destructive animal alive...next to humans.

These government people could care less about protecting native habitat of animals, most especially snakes.

I find it rather odd that in states where it's illegal to collect or own native snakes it's perfectly ok to kill them all day long.

As far as environmental impact on a snakes and other herps, what is the difference between killing a snake and collecting it to keep? The difference is killing is legal.

i believe in the bill of rights it talks about the pursuit of happiness. if one can properly care for a snake and this is their passion, then it is their american right to keep whatever species they like.

I only keep one snake currently, but i am not ready to give up my right to keep 100 if i choose.

If we are allowed to keep our current pets how will we feed them? If rats and mice end up on that list then what? Manufacturers, distrubutors, and many others will be out of work not to mention all the breeders of these various animals. Its silly and has so many deep unthought out consequences.

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Originally Posted by redpython

as far as protecting the native lands in the united states, Give me a break. if you believe this you are drinking kool aid. If this was the case, cats would've been outlawed many years ago. They are the most invasive and destructive animal alive...next to humans.

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There ARE a number of very serious invasive species that threaten entire regions of wildlife.

Asian carp are going to destroy our rivers, especially if they continue their march to the great lakes and the mississippi. The common carp isn't good to have either, but their presence isn't 1/10th as bad as what happens as soon as asian carp move in.

The problem is that this species will not be affected at all by the passing of this bill. People are already aware of the problem, there are already actions and legislation at the state level controlling them, and they are already established in our waters.

One of the problems I have with this bill is that it really isn't going to protect native US land and wildlife from invasive species like it intends to.