Pop-Eye?

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Got a pic?

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It's honestly hard to see EXACTLY the large gap there seems to be between the spectacle and eye through pictures, but I will get some and you will see how she compares to my other pastel(a tad younger than her, but normal looking eyes).

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Got a pic?

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Here are pictues taken yesterday, and that is her compared to Todd in the few. Todd obviously has the smaller eyes, but she has the long stripe on her neck to tell them apart further.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n...ugi90/eyes.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n...0/100_1056.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n...0/100_1059.jpg

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By coincidence we had our six month visit from our herp Vet today. I asked her about bilateral ocular swelling in snakes and she said that if it was indeed abnormal swelling (meaning that the snake didn't have normally "bulging" eyes) that causes could run the gamut from an unidentified systemic disorder to ascending stomatitis (mouth rot) which could have resulted in a secondary infection of both nasolacrimal ducts.

I can't tell from the pictures if that sort of bulging is normal. Hopefully your Vet will be able to diagnose and treat the issue (if it is an issue at all).

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

By coincidence we had our six month visit from our herp Vet today. I asked her about bilateral ocular swelling in snakes and she said that if it was indeed abnormal swelling (meaning that the snake didn't have normally "bulging" eyes) that causes could run the gamut from an unidentified systemic disorder to ascending stomatitis (mouth rot) which could have resulted in a secondary infection of both nasolacrimal ducts.

I can't tell from the pictures if that sort of bulging is normal. Hopefully your Vet will be able to diagnose and treat the issue (if it is an issue at all).

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Thank you very much, but yes, it is hard to say whether or not her eyes are just a bit bigger or if there really is something WRONG with them.(I HOPE NOT!)

Honestly I haven't seen anything in her mouth that would look like signs of mouth rot. She has had those eyes for a bit now but EVERYTIME my snakes eat they usually reconnect their jaws and give me a good view of the mouth and I have yet to see anything that would be bad enough to make both her eyes do that and last for that long without me noticing -some kind- of mouth rot.

Actually if you go to my gallery you can see her mouth, it is a while back, but that is what I am talking about. I get a pretty nice look each time she eats and she IS still eating/ate Monday.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

I can't tell from the pictures if that sort of bulging is normal. Hopefully your Vet will be able to diagnose and treat the issue (if it is an issue at all).

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Well, just to keep you posted and basically tell anyone reading this what is going on...I have been to the vet and back today. Apparently I saw TWO of the three doctors they have there that treat reptiles and not ONE of them could say what was wrong with her today. The vet, named Kryder, actually who I wanted to see, was on vacation and wont be back until Friday. I would have hoped though that SOMEONE there could maybe say what was wrong with my poor girl though.

So anyway, I get stuck with the new girl who doesn't know a DAMNED thing and some other doctor who still wasn't exactly very helpful today. I brought both Rin and Todd in(the two in the pictures posted) so they could clearly see just how his eyes compared to her own. So they also checked both the snakes mouths for any signs of mouth rot, ect.

They checked both because apparently they really DID need to compare -everything-, which I was kind of pissed about since I would assume they should be able to TELL. I was even more upset when they couldn't keep my BABY pastel Todd under control and he ripped away from the prong holding his mouth open rather violently! I wouldn't be surprised if they maybe broke a tooth in his mouth or something and I will SURELY be charging them for anything that may happen with HIM next, since he was perfectly healthy before. (He kept readjusting trying to fix his jaw until we left, though could close his mouth.)

So, it turns out while I was at the vet they just took a picture of the two and e-mailed Dr. Kryder to get his opinion anyway! He sent a message back saying that "Yes, it was obviously a dramatic difference and that HE wanted to see me on Friday." So actually the only thing that really happened in the visit was, I got a weeks worth of baytril I am supposed to give her and just watch her until Friday. Then Todd has his jaws near removed for a check -he- shouldn't have needed.

It really was horrible and now I have to just go back anyway for a more PROFESSIONAL opinion. I am glad I got something for her at least, but I want to know what is wrong and waiting until Friday is going to be a loooong wait indeed.

Sorry to hear that.

Is there another reptile vet in the area that you can see?

Did the other Vets explained why they prescribed Baytril? If they opened your snake's mouth and looked in, they should have been able to see if the ducts were irritated or blocked.

Did they give you any idea what they were attempting to treat her for?

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

Sorry to hear that.

Is there another reptile vet in the area that you can see?

Did the other Vets explained why they prescribed Baytril? If they opened your snake's mouth and looked in, they should have been able to see if the ducts were irritated or blocked.

Did they give you any idea what they were attempting to treat her for?

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I am not sure if there is, there might be ONE more at another clinic, but I'm not certain. I know Kryder is good though and -would- like to see him about this. He has taken care of my other snake without a problem and seems to know very much about what he is doing. He prescribed the baytril because he suspected there might be some sort of infection inside(was actually said, possibly something about a cyst/s?, but I am so tired right now and had a long day, it's hard to recall what he said in the message) and wants her on it until he sees her just to see if there is any change at all between then and Friday.

And yes, they looked in both the mouths and supposedly said "nothing was wrong that -they- could see" but had to compare a good mouth to maybe a bad one as I stood there. So I am not exactly sure they even knew what they were looking at. I will be asking Kryder to check that again for me which he probably will himself -anyway- without needing to possibly injure one of my other ball pythons.

And no, as of right now they are not exactly certain what is wrong with her. The two vets I saw today had absolutely NO idea, but Kryder said he couldn't say just looking at the -pictures- and again, needs to see her and wants to when he comes back.

I hope everything works out and goes ok, and thank you so much for your help and comments on the whole thing. I actually printed out what you had typed and brought it in to show them, but only ONE vet actually read it and then, yes, supposedly found nothing wrong with the mouth.

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Well, I'm just going to try and ease your mind here. I have a female girl, she is our oldest that I can tell, and her eyes are clearly bigger than most of our other snakes. Much like your photo's. She has been to a vet, not for her eyes, but he is very experienced with snakes and has kept them for decades. He never mentioned a thing about her eyes looking off, so I never put another thought into it.


Also, I have one male that seems to have the same sort of size in comparison, however they both act normal and have never acted in any way to suggest that they were in discomfort.

If they try to prescribe you any more medication, think about getting a second opinion as well with another snakes Vet.

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Originally Posted by Coils

I am not sure if there is, there might be ONE more at another clinic, but I'm not certain. I know Kryder is good though and -would- like to see him about this. He has taken care of my other snake without a problem and seems to know very much about what he is doing. He prescribed the baytril because he suspected there might be some sort of infection inside(was actually said, possibly something about a cyst/s?, but I am so tired right now and had a long day, it's hard to recall what he said in the message) and wants her on it until he sees her just to see if there is any change at all between then and Friday.

And yes, they looked in both the mouths and supposedly said "nothing was wrong that -they- could see" but had to compare a good mouth to maybe a bad one as I stood there. So I am not exactly sure they even knew what they were looking at. I will be asking Kryder to check that again for me which he probably will himself -anyway- without needing to possibly injure one of my other ball pythons.

And no, as of right now they are not exactly certain what is wrong with her. The two vets I saw today had absolutely NO idea, but Kryder said he couldn't say just looking at the -pictures- and again, needs to see her and wants to when he comes back.

I hope everything works out and goes ok, and thank you so much for your help and comments on the whole thing. I actually printed out what you had typed and brought it in to show them, but only ONE vet actually read it and then, yes, supposedly found nothing wrong with the mouth.

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While this Dr. Kryder may the expert, I am always cautious of doctors of any type who prescribe antibiotics for undiagnosed ailments. I'm assuming that the other vets prescribed the Baytril on his recommendation?

Frankly, at this point you're not even sure that there is something wrong with your snake. For all you know that's just the way her eyes are. The fact that she is feeding normally and has no other symptoms to indicate she has impairment or irritation with her eyes should not be forgotten.

If you can get a second opinion, I suggest you go that route.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Well, I'm just going to try and ease your mind here. I have a female girl, she is our oldest that I can tell, and her eyes are clearly bigger than most of our other snakes. Much like your photo's. She has been to a vet, not for her eyes, but he is very experienced with snakes and has kept them for decades. He never mentioned a thing about her eyes looking off, so I never put another thought into it.


Also, I have one male that seems to have the same sort of size in comparison, however they both act normal and have never acted in any way to suggest that they were in discomfort.

If they try to prescribe you any more medication, think about getting a second opinion as well with another snakes Vet.

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Well thank you, and I -at first- thought her eyes maybe were just like that and normal, but for them to SWELL up as she is growing? In the old pictures they really LOOKED like Todd's do now and she didn't have such big eyes even that long ago. Why would they just suddenly get bigger and bigger over time? I makes me think there might be something wrong, but hey if there REALLY isn't that is fine with me too! It's kinda just like they are growing not BECAUSE she is though. *shrug* Actually, my snake Miloh has slightly larger eyes too, but not like how her's are when you can actually SEE and hold her. It just strikes me as very odd.

And yes, I wont be taking anything else or pumping her full of other medication if they don't actually find anything wrong. He gave me just this three days worth of the baytril....(every other day) and I don't think that will do anything negativley to her up until friday. But again, no more after this if they can't say anything is actually -wrong- since, yes, there might not be.