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Originally Posted by Spaniard

I think there are lots of people that would be into hybrids if there was a way to ensure responsiblity by those breeding and distributing them as well as those buying them. I like the look of many too, I just don't like the possible consequences to the gene pools of each respective species involved. We should stop discussing soon we might hit six pages before we know it :P

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Right on Rich! :salute: My feelings exactly.

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Originally Posted by Michelle.C

Oh noes! Not the dreaded six page discussion! :O

I agree though. My only issue with hybrids is making sure they are responsibly labeled and kept. As long as the animals are kept/sold to someone who will keep proper paper work and assure they won't be sold as pure animals, I'm cool with it. :)

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When has that ever happened in the long run? How many people who own creamsicle corn snakes even know that they own a hybrid, and how many people who have corns know whether or not it has any rat blood? How many people who own carpet pythons or boas can say for a fact that they have a pure sub species or pure locality animal? There are quite a few people who can't, but a good amount of them will breed them and sell the offspring as what they think/assume/hope/wish they are. And once even one person does that, every generation after that, and all the breeders who work with any decendant after that is unknowingly working with, producing and selling hybrids as pure blood animals. And at that point, the whole CB species is in question.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Right on Rich! :salute: My feelings exactly.

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I am not at all offended by members suggesting other sites to visit. Someone here suggested another site for some caresheets that I found extremely helpful, although somewhat conflicting with the caresheets found on BP.net.

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I agree though. My only issue with hybrids is making sure they are responsibly labeled and kept. As long as the animals are kept/sold to someone who will keep proper paper work and assure they won't be sold as pure animals, I'm cool with it.

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Which again CANNOT be guarenteed.

As for the OP this is a forum, people have opinions and last time I check people could share their opinions even if they were different, nowhere have I seen that if you had a different opinion than the OP you should you refrain from posting (so the thread does not get 6 pages long).

Finally having different opinion does not mean a discussion is not welcomed.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Which again CANNOT be guarenteed.

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You can't guarentee they will be fed and cared for right either, but you can try your best.

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Originally Posted by southb

You can't guarentee they will be fed and cared for right either, but you can try your best.

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There go the apples and oranges again :rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by southb

You can't guarentee they will be fed and cared for right either, but you can try your best.

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What does that have to do with anything? A breeder that doesn't feed or care for a snake properly isn't risking the integrety of the entire captive bred population of a species until the end of time. :confused:

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

i disagree. many of the hybrid threads on this site quickly turn into 6 pages of hybrid arguments.

there is a place for everything and here is not the place for hybrid talk. its free to joing the site listed.

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Then I would suggest you respectfully ask Judy to add a hybrid forum to this site. If enough people show interest, I'm sure she would be willing to listen. We have forums here for dogs, cat, rats, and everything in between.

I think this is a place for hybrid talk, and if it were to have it's own forum, people who wanted to argue would know what's coming if they stir the pot in there. Much like if I were to go into the Giant Snake Forum here at BPnet and advocate the banning of large constrictors. I would deserve what ever was tossed my way.

Personally, I don't believe in hybrids, but I would totally support having a hybrid forum on this site so people who have a different view from mine could discuss their interests.

Suggesting the members here go to another site because you don't like the tone of the hybrid threads here is narrow minded and limiting, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

When has that ever happened in the long run? How many people who own creamsicle corn snakes even know that they own a hybrid, and how many people who have corns know whether or not it has any rat blood? How many people who own carpet pythons or boas can say for a fact that they have a pure sub species or pure locality animal? There are quite a few people who can't, but a good amount of them will breed them and sell the offspring as what they think/assume/hope/wish they are. And once even one person does that, every generation after that, and all the breeders who work with any decendant after that is unknowingly working with, producing and selling hybrids as pure blood animals. And at that point, the whole CB species is in question.

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Agreed, which is why I don't wish to produce them myself. They are going to produce hybrids, whether we like it or not. I just make sure I buy from reputable dealers who know their animals history, especially if I want to breed the animals myself.

I completely understand where you are coming from. Fact is, quite a few hybridist are extremely irresponsible. They don't keep paper work on the animals, they don't sell them to responsible keepers, etc. The chain continues until you end up with where Carpet Pythons, Hog Island Boas, other Boa Locales, etc are currently at. Look at the massive posts about "What Carpet did I get?", I've seen 3 posts in the past week or two.

Oh! and lets not forget childreni (Children's Pythons) and maculosa (Spotted Python). It is extremely rare to find a pure animal in the US. Almost immediately after being imported into US soil, the intra-species hybridization started.

I said as long as they are bred responsibly, I don't mind. Yes it might not be a common occurrence, but it does occur. Most of the users on the forum he posted are serious about their hobby (hybrids) and do keep proper labels on their animals. Most of them that are serious about the hobby will also sell to other responsible keepers.

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Originally Posted by Slim

Then I would suggest you respectfully ask Judy to add a hybrid forum to this site. If enough people show interest, I'm sure she would be willing to listen. We have forums here for dogs, cat, rats, and everything in between.

I think this is a place for hybrid talk, and if it were to have it's own forum, people who wanted to argue would know what's coming if they stir the pot in there. Much like if I were to go into the Giant Snake Forum here at BPnet and advocate the banning of large constrictors. I would deserve what ever was tossed my way.

Personally, I don't believe in hybrids, but I would totally support having a hybrid forum on this site so people who have a different view from mine could discuss their interests.

Suggesting the members here go to another site because you don't like the tone of the hybrid threads here is narrow minded and limiting, in my opinion.

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I wouldn't mind seeing a Hybrid forum on BP.net. After all, there is a Venomous Forum. I'm sure there is as many people with Hybrids on this forum as there is Venomous. :)