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  • 02-22-2009, 04:57 PM
    mainbutter
    Re: Adding "one more morph": A bright future for the BP industry
    I was simply pointing out that while adding a new base morph to your collection may increase the number of possible combos you can produce, multi-combo snakes become harder to produce the more genes you try to hit.
  • 02-22-2009, 05:00 PM
    nevohraalnavnoj
    Re: Adding "one more morph": A bright future for the BP industry
    I did not mean to indicate that I thought any of these combos were "likely" starting with single gene, base morphs. I understand that it will take FOREVER to get a quad gene animal when you start considering probabilities given 4 animals each carrying one gene.

    For example,

    I also bought a killerbee male yesterday, also from Marc Bailey. While this added 0 new genes to my collection, it has just rocketed me years forward in my production of triple/quad gene animals and also eliminated my normal production. Such an animal is not accounted for in this model.

    The "speed" of attaining these morphs is not built into this calculation, or else you would see a function of "t" floating around. Rather, I attempted to present a model which represents the dizzying array of possibilities given a new gene into your collection.

    JonV
  • 02-22-2009, 05:00 PM
    Stewart_Reptiles
    Re: Adding "one more morph": A bright future for the BP industry
    Quote:

    Adding the vanilla bumped me from 9 to 10 genes, and so increased from 511 combos to 1023. Once again none of this is accounting for super forms so these are all vast underestimates. :)
    You make it sound easy however what is not accounted for are the YEARS that it take to produce an animal with 4 genes and/or up as well as the number of attempts (odds are not always in your favors)

    But good luck with your projects.
  • 02-22-2009, 05:01 PM
    nevohraalnavnoj
    Re: Adding "one more morph": A bright future for the BP industry
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Deborah View Post
    You make it sound easy however what is not accounted for are the YEARS that it take to produce an animal with 4 genes and/or up as well as the number of attempts (odds are not always in your favors)

    But good luck with your projects.

    Please see above post.
  • 02-22-2009, 05:05 PM
    Stewart_Reptiles
    Re: Adding "one more morph": A bright future for the BP industry
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nevohraalnavnoj View Post
    Please see above post.

    Just saw it and above post was posted in the same time than mine was ;)
  • 02-22-2009, 05:07 PM
    nevohraalnavnoj
    Re: Adding "one more morph": A bright future for the BP industry
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mainbutter View Post
    good luck on the odds for getting more than 3 base genes into a single snake ;)

    I'll do it next year, thanks! :)

    JonV
  • 02-22-2009, 08:09 PM
    kc261
    Re: Adding "one more morph": A bright future for the BP industry
    I think this is an excellent post, although maybe a lot of people are either not understanding or missing the point.

    The way I read the original post is not that Jon expects to be producing over 1000 different combos any time soon, just that those possibilities are now open to him. The cool part is he gets to pick and choose which ones he'd rather shoot for.

    In fact, with his comments about the future and the addictiveness of BPs, I thought part of his point is that it WILL take a long time. No matter how many possibilities there are, if you can "collect them all" within a short time, it gets boring.

    I have 6 genes in my collection, 7 if you count normal, and 8 if you count my phet. But basically I can make "only" 63 combos. That number sounds small compared to Jon's 1000, but I know it will keep me busy for YEARS even if I don't add any new genes into the mix. I think that is a GOOD thing.

    Plus we have 4 different corn snake genes, and 2 different phets there.

    Yeah, I don't see me losing interest in this hobby any time soon.
  • 02-22-2009, 08:24 PM
    EmberBall
    Re: Adding "one more morph": A bright future for the BP industry
    Jon, for us mathchallenged, it was a great post, I just do not think that way. So, it was an interesting point.

    Dave
  • 02-22-2009, 08:53 PM
    RhacHead
    Re: Adding "one more morph": A bright future for the BP industry
    I think it was a cool post.You were just showing the genetic potential you had by the addition of a new morph not how likely you are of hitting the odds on these potential morphs.Just goes to show with the genetic variety out there with BP's the potential is nearly limitless!!
    Clearly an idication of why BP's can be so Addicting:D
  • 02-22-2009, 08:56 PM
    Hock3ymonk3y
    Re: Adding "one more morph": A bright future for the BP industry
    Umm if some of those gened are dominant and some a recessive then you cant get them into the same snake... Im pretty sure
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