Salmon and Orangetail

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Originally Posted by JimiSnakes

Haha, now you're just twisting things all up. It even says in the book that OT's are Central American PANAMANIANS. It's the same terminology just more finely tuned down to PANAMA. This is getting silly though. I'm pretty sure we are both saying pretty much the same thing but just using different wording.



It doesn't seem to me that the two are any different, documentation or "horses mouth". Vin doesn't seem to have any doubts in his mind that Salmons originated from Panamanian BCI or he wouldn't have put them in the Boas of Panama section, lol. There is some things that aren't in his book for whatever reasons he chose, probably so he doesn't get into the "politics" of the Boa industry. Like his take on the Leopard gene for example, but that's a topic he should post about and is not my place to do for him.

This is the parts of the book that aren't shown in your post (the part of Orangetails or OT's being from PURE CENTRAL AMERICANS) that reiterate what I've been saying, and pretty much what you've been saying too-
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y88...almon-page.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y88...et/OT-page.jpg
*Pages from Vin Russo of Cutting Edge Herps, The Complete Boa Constrictor

Now, I'm done with this topic since it's really going no where and I don't want to hijack this thread anymore than we already did. You can pm, email, or even call me anytime to discuss this farther. All lines are always open for friendly Boa chat. Email and phone number on my website.

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HAHAHA we did hijack this thread. Sorry guys.
Last one promise!

Update - (straight from Jeff Gee via email)
".. Our breeding stock was collected near the Panama Airport ..."
"...Rich Ihles original founding breeder came from us. He has crossed his with a Columbian & calls them "Salmon"..." - Jeff Gee

So they should be Panama but definitely Central American and Ihle mixed his with Colombian but keep in mind his original female is from Jeff Gee. So they are all BCI. And as far as locality Jeff's is pure with exception of the morphs.

Another note - Orange Tails is what Jeff Gee originally called them but Dave Barker suggested that they be called Hypomelanistic. So hence the OT and hypo calling confusion. He noted this in his email as well.

Thanks Jimi for making me dig to find more facts on this.
Yes we are talking the same thing just different dialect.

It's about time, lol.