Axanthic Lines?

How can the different lines not be compatable? If you breed an axanthic to an axanthic you should make axanthics, right? Is that not true of breeding one line of axanthic to another line of axanthic? Do you get all normals somehow? I'm rather confused about that.

I too would like to know which line would most likely hold their B&W look into adulthood. I desperately want to try for axanthic pieds myself... Some day...

I prefer VPI line Axanthics.

As far as Dizzys question goes it seems that while the end results are very similar they are not exactly the same as far as their locations on the gene strand and thus not compatable. So if you breed a Joliff line Axanthic with a VPI line Axanthic you will get a bunch of normal looking axanthics that are double het for both lines. I'm not sure if anyone has bread two double hets together to see if a superior axanthic would come about. It can take years to hit the odds and the end result might not be able to be told from an axanthic of one line so the only way to find out would be breeding it to a pure strain of each. Very rough project if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by Gloryhound

I prefer VPI line Axanthics.

As far as Dizzys question goes it seems that while the end results are very similar they are not exactly the same as far as their locations on the gene strand and thus not compatable. So if you breed a Joliff line Axanthic with a VPI line Axanthic you will get a bunch of normal looking axanthics that are double het for both lines. I'm not sure if anyone has bread two double hets together to see if a superior axanthic would come about. It can take years to hit the odds and the end result might not be able to be told from an axanthic of one line so the only way to find out would be breeding it to a pure strain of each. Very rough project if you ask me.

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You mean, a bunch of normals that are het for both lines, correct?

I'm working with SK Line Axanthics, I picked up an absolutely incredible Male, and a decent Female.

I don't think lineage is important, I think finding the best example is.

Here he is at 600g; The picture doesn't quite reflect how bright he is, but you get the idea.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s...Nalu/034-2.jpg

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Originally Posted by dizzy

How can the different lines not be compatable? If you breed an axanthic to an axanthic you should make axanthics, right? Is that not true of breeding one line of axanthic to another line of axanthic? Do you get all normals somehow? I'm rather confused about that.

I too would like to know which line would most likely hold their B&W look into adulthood. I desperately want to try for axanthic pieds myself... Some day...

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This happens because the different lines are in truth different types of mutations that effect the animal in varied degrees of the same way.

Just because the animals closely exhibit the homozygous trait doesn't mean that they are the same genetically.

So if you look at say a lesser Mojo BEL while the combo of the two looks like a Homozygous Lesser on a genetic level they are not the same.

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Originally Posted by briz

I am working with and prefer VPI line. My axanthics are coming out of my snow project which from all the snows I've seen are by far the best out there. Most will agree VPI snows are better.

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Even though I am partial to VPI line animals, and breed many of them, I would have to disagree with your above statement. The best looking Snow that I have ever seen is a SK line Snow that was hatched by Ralph Davis. I am however, working with some VPI Snow animals.

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Originally Posted by Bluebead

Corey Woods has his line of Red Axanthics, and Mark Mandic just got the first Axanthic Pied out with an unknown female.
What a way to find out you are working with the axanthic gene.. can we say horseshoes???
Not sure on compatability tho
http://www.ballpython.ca/images/morp...cs/pieax1b.jpg

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Actually Marc was able to trace back his Het Pied animals to Steve Roussis, who I believe was able to find out that the lineage actually had a possibility of carrying Axanthic genes. So, his animals are from a known line of Axanthic (I don't know which line it was). Don't quote me on this, but I believe that was the correct story.

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Originally Posted by Mischke

You mean, a bunch of normals that are het for both lines, correct?

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Yes. Het for VPI Axanthic and Het for Joliff axanthic. I do not think this has been done on purpose to date since the breeder selling the offspring would be hard pressed to identify what line they would be selling down the road when they bred these babies back to each other. You could not even claim them as a new line as one offspring could be Joliff and the other VPI without any het trait for the other creating a case where the offspring bred back together would create all normals which if you didn't know the genetics would lead a person to believe they are not genetic.

Now I think I am confussing myself! :confused:

Can anyone who knows an adult or sub-adult for the other lines (Joliff, VPI, and if they exist D&M NERD) Axanthics post pics so we can compare?

I'd really like to see how they look as they grow into adulthood.

Thanks in advance

I prefer V.P.I. line...I have two Axanthic of VPI and they are GREAT ANIMALS.

Most of this is hearsay so bear with me. :)

NERD compatible w/ VPI
D&M compatible w/ SK

Also Jollif has been proven to not be compatible with VPI (there are double hets and possible double hets running around).

On record the only SK to VPI breeding was het to het. 6 eggs. No Axanthics. Long odds to say for sure that they aren't compatible. I had heard Graziani and Micheal Cole were going to try homozygous to homozygous breedings to prove it out for sure this year but haven't heard how that's going.

Overall I'd say the best axanthic line is buying into a particular animal that has the coloration you are looking for, a good price, and is from a reliable source. I think if you do that you'll be very happy with whichever line you choose :D

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Originally Posted by Weapon-x

Can anyone who knows an adult or sub-adult for the other lines (Joliff, VPI, and if they exist D&M NERD) Axanthics post pics so we can compare?

I'd really like to see how they look as they grow into adulthood.

Thanks in advance

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