Crazy, quail vs rat

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Originally Posted by Bettacreek

dude ask around, quail breeders use chicken feed all of the time. 24% protein is absolutely fine. Breeders use it all of the time without drops in production.

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i have bred quail for many many years when i was young and we have done that and we lost alot of quail due to it!
we have also bred rabbits, chukar, phesants(golden and ringneck), peacocks, turkeys, lots of different chickens, piegons, doves im sure i left some out.

also if you breed quail on dirt youll have serious problems! wet feed and they are done. plus they require supplements on top of feed.

besides the fact that they are not an actual food for your snake, they take up more room than rats will. they cost more to care for and maintain, take more time than rodents.

if you paying 6$ for a rodent then breed your own! switch to f/t whatever. stop buying from a pet store find a breeder!

Maybe you did something else wrong, if your quail were dying off. Any number of things may have been wrong.
They don't require suppliments... You won't loose production without suppliments.

Seriously, why be so anal and fight and kick and scream over something as stupid as absolutely specific requirements, when it's already been proven time and time again that there's nothing wrong with another method? I'm sorry that you don't personally agree, but I know that it can be done without issues, and I know that I can raise them just fine with my methods. Now can we stop fighting over something so ridiculously stupid as how you raised and lost your birds?! My personal experience has proven to me that it can be done at a much lesser cost than raising rats, and if there are no issues as to feeding them to the balls, then what does it matter? I'm sorry that you didn't have very good luck with your birds, but I seem to be doing just fine, and many others seem to do just fine without spending a fortune on special feeds, suppliments and thousand dollar pieces of equipment. Like I said, I'm sorry that it didn't seem to work out for you, but plenty of hobbiests have done just fine without the extra glits and expenses that you seem to think are a requirement.

Does anyone actually have any valid input on why or why not they may or may not work for feeding ball pythons? If there are reasons other than what is listed, I'd like to look further into it before I actually attempt to feed them to the balls here.

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Originally Posted by Bettacreek

Maybe you did something else wrong, if your quail were dying off. Any number of things may have been wrong.
They don't require suppliments... You won't loose production without suppliments.

Seriously, why be so anal and fight and kick and scream over something as stupid as absolutely specific requirements, when it's already been proven time and time again that there's nothing wrong with another method? I'm sorry that you don't personally agree, but I know that it can be done without issues, and I know that I can raise them just fine with my methods. Now can we stop fighting over something so ridiculously stupid as how you raised and lost your birds?! My personal experience has proven to me that it can be done at a much lesser cost than raising rats, and if there are no issues as to feeding them to the balls, then what does it matter? I'm sorry that you didn't have very good luck with your birds, but I seem to be doing just fine, and many others seem to do just fine without spending a fortune on special feeds, suppliments and thousand dollar pieces of equipment. Like I said, I'm sorry that it didn't seem to work out for you, but plenty of hobbiests have done just fine without the extra glits and expenses that you seem to think are a requirement.

Does anyone actually have any valid input on why or why not they may or may not work for feeding ball pythons? If there are reasons other than what is listed, I'd like to look further into it before I actually attempt to feed them to the balls here.

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lol thats funny! how about you go back to the post you made about this a month ago.
do you eat garbage and throw away food?
either way ill go back to paying 1$ a rat if i dont breed enough.

I'm glad you're so mature, thoughtful and helpful with everything. *Sigh* Back to regular programming.

Anyone have any real input about feeding quail to balls and not stories about how they couldn't raise quail? Thanks. :)

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Originally Posted by Bettacreek

I'm glad you're so mature, thoughtful and helpful with everything. *Sigh* Back to regular programming.

Anyone have any real input about feeding quail to balls and not stories about how they couldn't raise quail? Thanks. :)

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excuse me?
you need to grow up dude and stop trolling this idea that you can just feed improper diet to whatever animal you see fit.

D: whoah calm down, they are just quails!

I don't think I agree with feeding quails to BP's though. They are made to eat a diet of rodents and I think that is what you should offer. But if you are having no ill-effects from feeding quails, then be my guest.

http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/...&Special=false

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Complete formula for starting turkey, quail, pheasant and chukar. Designed for starting chicks from 0 to 6 weeks of age. Provides essential nutrients for optimum development. Additional vitamins and minerals are not required. Chick starter 24%.

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http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/S...FancQuail.html

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NUTRITION: The exact dietary requirements of the Japanese quail are still controversial. Turkey starter, chicken starter or a gamebird starter which can be purchased at local feed mills, should be adequate for proper quail egg and meat production.

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Thanks for going off on a wild tangent about something that wasn't even the main topic. Maybe next time, instead of attacking someone, actually look into what you're talking about first. That could probably save a lot of time and hassles for everyone else. The whole point of the topic was to find out if the quail maybe had too much protein, or if there were any other reasons that I couldn't feed quail to ball pythons, not about your personal opinions on what you think about quail nutrition and which incubator works better for hatching quail eggs. *Sigh*
Thank you to those who were decent enough to not try to ruin a topic.

Fight fight fight

I got to ague against the quail for BPs... Ball Pythons are naturally rodent eating animals, they consume small mammals, not birds. While they can consume the bird I, personally, find an ethical flaw in changing an animal's natural diet.

But do we really know if they won't eat birds in the wild? They may predominantly eat rodents, but I don't think we can rule out that birds just may be on the menu. Other than personal ethics on wild diets vs "artificial" diet, are there any other reasons?