Large Orders Of Ball Pythons

If they didn't farm the babies or export the adults, they would be sold to the skin trade or the meat market.

Ghana is very conservative of their ball python populations and the numbers are holding up well even with the pet trade/meat market collection.

If these animals were not being looked at as a valuable resource for the pet trade by the trappers in Africa then they would be selling them for other uses.

That said there is still not enough of a c.b population to cover the demand of the pet trade. There is a reason pet-co has Bill sitting on 21000 c.h babies until the next sale in March.

I think a lot of people dont see the big picture of the reptile industry, and the sheer numbers of animals needed to fill the demand.

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Originally Posted by Python Guru

thats fine but i made this post to find someone selling wholesale BP's i didnt say how does everyone feel about importing/exporting, thats just your opinion and thats fine but most of those nice morphs you see in captivity came from snakes in the wild you might even own snakes whos parents were WC your not going to take them back or get rid of them are you? no that would be silly, thanks for your time

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Okay, sorry, I didn't mean to hijack your thread. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Python Guru

thats fine but i made this post to find someone selling wholesale BP's i didnt say how does everyone feel about importing/exporting, thats just your opinion and thats fine but most of those nice morphs you see in captivity came from snakes in the wild you might even own snakes whos parents were WC your not going to take them back or get rid of them are you? no that would be silly, thanks for your time

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nice post! they obviously didnt migrate here like the US fish and wildlife survey would like to think.

i will say this much every large breeder in this country has bought imports, captive hatched, and gravid imports at one time or another and many still do.

if this is what your after you need to find someone in canada. that does these if not then you would have to do cites paperwork which is a pain.

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Originally Posted by DutchHerp

I am

COMLETELY
100%
TOTALLY

AGAINST

the mass importation of ANY animal.

I am not against keeping snakes, but importing thousands of animals from the wild just so people can keep them as pets or breed them is just wrong.

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Then please immediately report to your local reptile shop and give back your ball pythons.... because the fact is, ALL of your ball pythons, or their ancestors, were the direct result of what you are "completely against"

mikey

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

Then please immediately report to your local reptile shop and give back your ball pythons.... because the fact is, ALL of your ball pythons, or their ancestors, were the direct result of what you are "completely against"

mikey

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Mikey, I think he just bit his tongue on that, darlin'. ^_^ We all make mistakes.

I personally think you should talk to someone from Canadia(I love my spelling!) and/or breeders you're familiar with. They might have the info you need.

I am not educated in the wild ball python levels. I am only educated about breeding with in the U.S. and I have a long way to go at that.

I do not really agree with WC ball pythons, but on that same note I think it is necessary to the hobby.

If it is a choice between becoming boots/dinner or some ones pet/breeder, of course I would choose the latter.

When I got my first BP it came from Petsmart. I was not happy that is was a CH much less WC, I took him back.

As I am getting more and more into the hobby I am all the more tempted to buy a WC gravid. I am still not to the point that is what I want to do, but it has crossed my mind a few times in the past weeks.

It will be some time before I buy a WC but I am sure the day will come.

Thanks for listening
Mike

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

Then please immediately report to your local reptile shop and give back your ball pythons.... because the fact is, ALL of your ball pythons, or their ancestors, were the direct result of what you are "completely against"

mikey

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I actually took the BP from a lady who couldn't take care of it anymore (or didn't want to), and she said the snake was not wild caught.

That's all I know about it.

I know the snakes I own had (great)(grand)parents that were wild caught, but all I'm saying is that the importation of these HUGE amounts of BPs should be limited. I'll admit, I'm not an economist or pet trade expert, but I think that thousands of wild caught snakes coming in every year is quite unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by DutchHerp

I actually took the BP from a lady who couldn't take care of it anymore (or didn't want to), and she said the snake was not wild caught.

That's all I know about it.

I know the snakes I own had (great)(grand)parents that were wild caught, but all I'm saying is that the importation of these HUGE amounts of BPs should be limited. I'll admit, I'm not an economist or pet trade expert, but I think that thousands of wild caught snakes coming in every year is quite unnecessary.

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it is limited! what do you think CITES is about. see also http://www.cites.org/

Let me rephrase.

Limit it MORE. ;)

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Originally Posted by DutchHerp

Let me rephrase.

Limit it MORE. ;)

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per cites export from Benin
60,000 farmed
1000 wild-taken

per cites export from Ghana
7 000 live, wild-taken
50 000 live, ranched
200 live, captive-bred

also see this http://www.cites.org/common/quotas/2...Quotas2008.pdf