False water cobra?

if i am not mistaken, the venom of these snakes is way more potent than what people tend to believe.

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Originally Posted by redpython

if i am not mistaken, the venom of these snakes is way more potent than what people tend to believe.

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You are mistaken.


To my brother, bee venom is VERY potent, to me, its nothing.

...just sayin

I dunno, I believe there is serious research being done on this. I am pretty sure that Jim Harrison of the Kentucky Reptile Zoo has said that their venom is the equivalent of a timber rattlesnake...they just can't deliver it as effectively.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

You are mistaken.


To my brother, bee venom is VERY potent, to me, its nothing.

...just sayin

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You mean he goes into anaphylaxis?

Completely different and has nothing to do with venom toxicity.

In addition to Harrision, Venomdoc has also compared it to rattlesnake venom, which when compared to other venomous species, is not very potent. The difference is that rattlesnakes have a much more efficient delivery system and produce more of it.

Think of the delivery system this way - a bullet by itself is not lethal. A bullet fired from a gun, at your head has a good chance of killing you. A bullet thrown at your head by your kid won't.

Whether you are allergic to a bee sting or not, you will have localized symptoms. The severity of those symptoms may vary. People who are allergic to be venom develop distinct allergy symptoms - a dry cough, sneezing, wheezing, itchy hives.

In severe allergic reactions, or anaphylaxis, symptoms include sudden anxiety and weakness, difficulty breathing, tightness in the chest, very low blood pressure, loss of consciousness, and shock. Anaphylactic shock can occur within minutes and result in death.

Reports of people having allergic reactions to snake venom, especially colubrid venom, are extremely rare.

When a hognose or a brasilian smooth snake bite you and you experience localized swelling, pain, excessive bleeding, etc. - those are by-products of the venom - not allergic reactions.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

You mean he goes into anaphylaxis?

Completely different and has nothing to do with venom toxicity.

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You sure about that???


We can all see that you spit the farthest in the wind.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

You sure about that???


We can all see that you spit the farthest in the wind.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

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Being allergic to specific venoms has EVERYTHING to do with it.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

Being allergic to specific venoms has EVERYTHING to do with it.

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Who said different?

People develop allergies to anything.

An allergic reaction is different than the clinical symptoms of the venom.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

Who said different?

People develop allergies to anything.

An allergic reaction is different than the clinical symptoms of the venom.

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Ummmmm YOU did

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

Completely different and has nothing to do with venom toxicity.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

Ummmmm YOU did

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Pat -

Different venoms have different effects - neurotoxic, hemotoxic, cytotoxic, etc.

Allergic reactions to a venom are separate from the specific reactions from the components of the venom.

If you and I get the same bite from a FWC, we may have mild swelling and pain from the venom. If I'm allergic, then perhaps I have wheezing, itchy hives and maybe even worse symptoms.

That has nothing to do with the venom being more potent to me as opposed to you. It just means I have an allergy to a component in it.