Sulfur = Fire

Well, start breeding some fires to mojaves and mojave YBs to see if fires can make those crazy red, super stripe looking snakes, or a BEL with khaki patches. If they can, I'm getting a fire for sure :gj: If they can't, I'll be paying the extra for a sulfur or sulfurxYB.

First of all, Sulfurs are not more expensive than Fires. Secondly, Sulfur:Fire is the same as Black Pastel:Cinnamon. Black Pastels and Cinnamons produce the same Super, so why should one be named different or priced different? Orange Hypos and Butterscotch Hypos are compatible, so shouldn't they be called the same thing and sold for the same price?

My point in the above, is that the original Sulfur female did not come from a Fire line, and therefore were given a different name to distinguish them from the Eric Davies "Fire" line. They are most probably the same morph, but come from two distinct lines. Noone can say they are the same morph until the are proven compatible, which has yet to be done. Just as another poster said a bit ago, VPI/TSK/Jolliff Axanthics are not the same morph, because there genes are not on the same chromosone, even though they have very similar appearances.

I hope that helps to explain things somewhat,

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

Well, start breeding some fires to mojaves and mojave YBs to see if fires can make those crazy red, super stripe looking snakes, or a BEL with khaki patches. If they can, I'm getting a fire for sure :gj: If they can't, I'll be paying the extra for a sulfur or sulfurxYB.

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The sulfurs did not make blue eyed lucys. It made a normal black eyed lucy. A lot of black eyed lucys have the patches.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

First of all, Sulfurs are not more expensive than Fires. Secondly, Sulfur:Fire is the same as Black Pastel:Cinnamon. Black Pastels and Cinnamons produce the same Super, so why should one be named different or priced different? Orange Hypos and Butterscotch Hypos are compatible, so shouldn't they be called the same thing and sold for the same price?

My point in the above, is that the original Sulfur female did not come from a Fire line, and therefore were given a different name to distinguish them from the Eric Davies "Fire" line. They are most probably the same morph, but come from two distinct lines. Noone can say they are the same morph until the are proven compatible, which has yet to be done. Just as another poster said a bit ago, VPI/TSK/Jolliff Axanthics are not the same morph, because there genes are not on the same chromosone, even though they have very similar appearances.

I hope that helps to explain things somewhat,

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The VPI / TSK / Jolliff Axanthics are all axanthics, but are distinguishably different. Are the fires and sulfurs, super forms, or crosses distinguishably different?

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

The VPI / TSK / Jolliff Axanthics are all axanthics, but are distinguishably different. Are the fires and sulfurs, super forms, or crosses distinguishably different?

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What is so distinguishable about the different Axanthic lines. I have seen plenty of baby Axanthics that you could not tell apart if you weren't told what line they were.

As for Sulfurs and Fires, I do find them different at birth. From what I have seen, Sulfurs start out a bit more drab and get lighter with age. The Fires start out pretty bright or light colored, and tend to retain their color as they age. As for the Supers, no there is not much difference, but the difference between a Super Lesser and a Mojave Lesser Leucy is almost unnoticeable, and sometime completely undistinguishable.

I agree with Tim, I think Fire's are different from sulphurs.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

What is so distinguishable about the different Axanthic lines. I have seen plenty of baby Axanthics that you could not tell apart if you weren't told what line they were.

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I was referring to them into adulthood. VPI's hold their color much better, then SK, then Jolliff.

And thanks, I did not know that about sulfurs / fires. If they hatch out distinguishably different, then I agree they are two different lines.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

I was referring to them into adulthood. VPI's hold their color much better, then SK, then Jolliff.

And thanks, I did not know that about sulfurs / fires. If they hatch out distinguishably different, then I agree they are two different lines.

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Eddie,
While I cannot claim to have any other line of Axanthics other than VPI, I can say that of the 4 adult female VPI Axanthics and 2 adult male VPI Axanthics that I have, there is quite a bit of variability. So, I personally would not claim that adult Axanthics are all that differnet. I have also seen a few very nicely colored adult TSK Axanthics.

Now if we are not talking definitives, and are making generalizations, then I agree, VPI Axanthics are typically better looking adults.

A few answers for you. Sulfurs are not more expensive than Fires and I don't think they ever have been. Can you tell me one codom trait that was not named and sold before a Super was produced? Most were named before ever being proven genetic. I originally was telling people these were similar to fires but took some heat for it, so a name was given to them. I tell everyone they are more than likely a new line of fire and the supers appear to be identical. Sure since now we've seen the super they can probably be called fires. But I'd be willing to bet there would be more threads like this saying you can't call them fires because you haven't bred them with an original line fire. I personally won't be doing that breeding because I don't own any Davies line fires. Also, are you aware there are other lines of codom hypos with a black eyed lucy super and they are not called fires?

Eric

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Also, are you aware there are other lines of codom hypos with a black eyed lucy super and they are not called fires?

Eric

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No, I was not aware of that. What are they called?