Is there a Morph you will never own/breed due to genetics?

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Originally Posted by Jyson

For me, I am steering clear of womas. Other than that I am also "trying" to stay away from carmels, but there are carmel combos that I want like the carmel pied. Other than that, everthing else is fair game.

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I too am not interested in Womas, as well as the genetics issues with a super. I donno.. I never liked them a whole lot to begin with.

While I can't think of any off hand that I would absolutely NEVER work with, there are a few I might wish to work with in only a very limited way. There are a few mutations that have problems. Besides the morphs already mentioned, scaleless is another that many people might be leery of. but I think it would be rewarding to be able to figure out why it's a problem and see if it can be overcome.

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Originally Posted by Drew87

Nope i want them all.... hahaha

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Andrew.......you're a man after my own heart. :gj:

i would say a caramel with kinked spines dont like the thought of that.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

Nope,

I was nervous about Spiders and the wobbles but I love bees way to much to hold me back. Plus the theory that combo spiders show fewer signs of the wobbles helped me feel better. I don't think kinking in Caramels should be that big of a deal anymore; there are many people who painstakingly outcrossed their lines to prevent against it.

The morph I would never own is the Derma ball. Not sure what the current status on this project is but I was turned off from the first picture I saw.

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spider for sure! every spider is gonna have some sort of wobble sometime in its life. even if its minute. the first spider ever had the condition so there is no way to weed it out.

there are woma and pins to mix wit. i dont know what the talk is on the genetic defect on womas. i havent heard anything.

I will always stay away from spiders or any of the crosses that have been produced from spiders no matter how "pretty or amazing" a snake may look. IMHO spinning and wobbling is a major defect and I do not think they should have been bred over and over and over again since it is passed on and now has been out crossed in to other morphs.

No, I would work with these lines. I would just make sure that the lines that I work with do not have these issues; such as, spiders that do not wobble, and caramels that do not kink.

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Originally Posted by andwhy6

spider for sure! every spider is gonna have some sort of wobble sometime in its life. even if its minute. the first spider ever had the condition so there is no way to weed it out.

there are woma and pins to mix wit. i dont know what the talk is on the genetic defect on womas. i havent heard anything.

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I thoughtfully disagree. My spiders do not show signs of wobbles. I personally think spiders are great. They are my best eaters and breeders. My male even gave me twins. Can't beat that...

YouTube - Kinked Caramel Albinos

Not those. Too risky. Caramels are beautiful. But it would take a lot for me to breed those.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

I thoughtfully disagree. My spiders do not show signs of wobbles. I personally think spiders are great. They are my best eaters and breeders. My male even gave me twins. Can't beat that...

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Not to offend you or anyone else, but I needed to quote you to make a point!

Everyone says their spider does not wobble! :) Heck our spider doesn't wobble, at least that my wife and I have witnessed! The genetic issue is a known issue and those that don't want to deal with it need to stay away from spiders completely. Since I have not witnessed it with our spider I plan to keep spiders or spider combos in our collection. Caramels can have the kink issue, but it has been said some lines appear to be clear of it! If any of the above conditions did manifest in off spring I would have to seriously reconsider breeding either of the two parents again. As far as Womas go, I'm not sure! Right now we are playing with a Genetic reduced and I think additional potential might lay with that gene compared to the Woma. Thats all me though and I guess everyone is bound to have some sort of opinion.