Question on Pewters

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Originally Posted by muddoc

Cinnys and Black Pastels are compatible and will produce an all black snake when bred together. Just some more food for thought to help make your decision even harder (sorry for that).

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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: Wow this is just information overload lol. Looks like I'm getting a new rack sooner than I thought :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

I love the super cinnies....... would definitely love to have one of my own someday.......

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Originally Posted by muddoc

Just remember that if you pair your Pewter male back to your Cinny girl, you will not get Sterlings, but rather you will get Silver Bullets (if you're lucky). Also, you may want to get a Cinny and make Pewters, and also get some Black Pastels to mix in with the Cinnys. Cinnys and Black Pastels are compatible and will produce an all black snake when bred together. Just some more food for thought to help make your decision even harder (sorry for that).

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Does black pastel x cinny have any platypus mouth issues? I don't think I've seen a picture of a super using the two different lines.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

Does black pastel x cinny have any platypus mouth issues? I don't think I've seen a picture of a super using the two different lines.

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My understanding was that the platypus mouth was being seen more in the 2nd or 3rd generations of the cinny x pastel lines but I could be wrong on that. I haven't heard or seen anything in regards to black pastel X cinny having genetic problems.

These were all made with Graziani line Pastels and Cinnamons.

First one up is a Pewter (Pastel / Cinnamon).

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images...st08_1_700.jpg

The next one is a Sterling (Super Pastel / Cinnamon).

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images...ast07_2bpn.jpg

The next picture is a Silver Bullet (Super Cinnamon / Pastel) as a hatchling.

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images/silbul08_1rdr2.jpg

This one is a Silver Bullet (Super Cinnamon / Pastel) as an Adult.

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images...08_1_700_2.jpg

As you can see there is no problem with the nose on this one. I think the problem is mostly with the Black Pastels.:gj:

Wow Albey those are amazing looking animals! And the adult silver bullet is still just plain smokin looking! Are those all your snakes? :gj::gj: Thanks so much, that answers a lot of my questions but kind of gives me some other ones. I know these might be kind of dumb/obvious but:
#1 Pewter I understand
#2 Sterling could be achieved by pewter X pastel? Or by super pastel X cinny?
#3 Silver bullet (just incredible BTW) could be achieved by either pewter X cinny or super cinny X pastel?
Am I totally off on my assesment on that or am I starting to learn a little ;) Thanks again!

Albey, why the need to knock down Black Pastels everytime the subject comes up? No doubt, Cinnamon make awesome combos as clearly demonstrated with your animals.

Black Pastels are gaining in popularity and there many different strains out there, some resembling Cinnamons more then others.

Black Pastel make equaly interesting combos;

Hypo Black Pastel
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...FemalePic3.jpg

Cinnmon G-Stripe
http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/09/04/97/63/cinnam10.jpg

Albino Super Black Pastel
http://www.gulfcoastreptiles.com/pic...l_2%20copy.jpg

Albino Black Pastel
http://www.gulfcoastreptiles.com/pic...astel08152.jpg

Lesser Black Pastel
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/843e66bc.jpg

As for the nose issue, it does not prevent them from thriving, does it? Should they've culled the first English Bulldogs because of their nose issue?

Why the need to knock down other projects people work with? I sure hope not for the benefit of your own Cinnamon projects!

Thanks for all the pics guys. Those are awesome snakes!

Don't even get me started on the english bulldog question.

OK another quick question: Pewter bee????? Has it/Can it be done? I think that just made top of my list of must dos before I die lol.

I don't know Albey from a hole in the wall but I really don't see him knocking down anyone else's projects. He simply answered my question; black pastel supers do have an abnormal nose from what pictures I have seen. You may consider it inconsequential and other people may view it as a deformity; but that is each individuals opinion.

Without a doubt black pastels make some amazing combo's but the abnormal nose in the super is also true.

Albey produces some amazing animals; I doubt he would need to succumb to bashing other peoples projects to promote his own.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

I don't know Albey from a hole in the wall but I really don't see him bashing anyone else's projects. He simply answered my question; black pastel supers do have an abnormal nose from what pictures I have seen. You may consider it inconsequential and other people may view it as a deformity; but that is each individuals opinion.

Without a doubt black pastels make some amazing combo's but the abnormal nose in the super is also true.

Albey produces some amazing animals; I doubt he would need to succumb to bashing other peoples projects to promote his own.

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I agree, I only started this post to try and find the different ways to get a pewter not to have people bashing other breeders because they chose to do things differently. I hadn't even heard of the "platypus nose" until I read some of Albys posts where he said that he was glad he didn't have that problem.
I would like to know if that problem prevents them from eating or causes other issues for the individual snake. Maybe it's just like the "wobble" in spiders where it's an undesireable but not necessarily life threatening genetic anomaly but it's not cause to bash someone else because they don't have that problem.