20 Gal. Long Tank?

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Originally Posted by Argentra

I myself prefer to give any snake as much room as A) I have available. B) As they will accept without being stressed.

Since most of my BPs love to stretch out and lift their heads, they are all in enclosures at least 10" high if not 12". But I never go higher than 12" for a non-climber.

And yes, Blackcrystal, I know how you exaggerate. ;)

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I agree with this completely(even blackcrystals exagertaions;)).

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Ball pythons are different than lizards in that no matter how big of a cage you put them in, they will curl up in their favorite corner and stay there.

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No disrespect intended in my comments, but the above comment is not only an exageration...it is simply Not true. I witness my girl coming out and exploring every nook and corner of her cage nightly, just like a nocturnal snake should. I am normally asleep during her cruising hours..but having her cage visible from my bed... I do know that this is a nightly exercise. While she does have her favorite spot to curl up and sleep... and she will spend a lot of her time there... by no means does she just curl up and stay there... The only time they will curl up in a corner and stay there is when they are in a bin that does not allow them to explore.

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Originally Posted by SoCaliSon

I agree with this completely(even blackcrystals exagertaions;)).



No disrespect intended in my comments, but the above comment is not only an exageration...it is simply Not true. I witness my girl coming out and exploring every nook and corner of her cage nightly, just like a nocturnal snake should. I am normally asleep during her cruising hours..but having her cage visible from my bed... I do know that this is a nightly exercise. While she does have her favorite spot to curl up and sleep... and she will spend a lot of her time there... by no means does she just curl up and stay there... The only time they will curl up in a corner and stay there is when they are in a bin that does not allow them to explore.

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I'm with California on this one. Right now Ruth's in a tub and doing great, much easier to clean and regulate temperatures. But I'm currently looking around for furniture every garbage night that I can convert into a roomier enclosure for her and storage for me.

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Originally Posted by SoCaliSon

I agree with this completely(even blackcrystals exagertaions;)).



No disrespect intended in my comments, but the above comment is not only an exageration...it is simply Not true. I witness my girl coming out and exploring every nook and corner of her cage nightly, just like a nocturnal snake should. I am normally asleep during her cruising hours..but having her cage visible from my bed... I do know that this is a nightly exercise. While she does have her favorite spot to curl up and sleep... and she will spend a lot of her time there... by no means does she just curl up and stay there... The only time they will curl up in a corner and stay there is when they are in a bin that does not allow them to explore.

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I don't think it's always as false as you say it is. I would find the SnakeBytes video where they explain that, but I'm not sure which one it was (big snakes I think).
For ball pythons and large snakes, I have noticed this to be true, however there are other types of snakes that would not be suited well with this.
Ball pythons usually only come out at night, and even then they aren't very likely to 'roam' far from their original spot. From what I've been told on here, excessive roaming = stressed out snake. :]

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Ball pythons are different than lizards in that no matter how big of a cage you put them in, they will curl up in their favorite corner and stay there.

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I say this is false...

You say...

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I don't think it's always as false as you say it is.

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Ball pythons usually only come out at night, and even then they aren't very likely to 'roam' far from their original spot. From what I've been told on here, excessive roaming = stressed out snake. :]

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So you are saying that there Ball Pythons that will find one spot, stay there, and never have the urge to roam, hunt, or find a new spot? Just stay happily coiled in that one spot there entire lives? That would worry me more than a snake becoming active at night to roam. If my sanke was wondering , at random hours of the day, nose rubbing, and not eating, or pooping, I would think that maybe they are stressed by the environment. But I personlly think she is just enjoying her space, as she is eats readilly, and exercises her routine like clockwork, including pooping and shedding. If anything I think that this shows that given the sace, they will make use of it.

How do populations disperse in the wild??? If what you are saying is true, you would find families of BP's in the wild hanging out together in the same general area their entire lives.

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and even then they aren't very likely to 'roam' far from their original spot.

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= Speculation.

Not trying to lock horns with you blackcrystal, I just think that in a hobby like this we need to be carefull when addressing husbandry issues in "absolutes", Makes it easy to give people the wrong idea. While you did explain yourself, the original statement that I had a problem with(quoted again above), does specifically state "ball pythons", and is not referring to any other kind of snake.

~Joe

Sorry to jack the thread for a sec...but what is everyones opinion on like Animal Plastics cages, Vision cages. There's ones that are like 2ft by 2 ft which is small and then the next size is 3ft by 2 ft....I was thinkin of gettin a 3x2.....too big???

I think BP's tend to cruise around a bit more than most people think. My BP's in larger tanks are all very active at night (and they are not stressed), they also tend to be more active when held in general. They seem to enjoy being held more than the tub snakes too.

And some of my rack housed BP's are more active than others. I have a big girl who just lays on the cool side all the time, and a male who hangs out on the warm side most of the time, in the same rack. Every snake is different.