Ralph Davis Clutch Gone Wrong

poor lil' fellas. the one with the short lip was kinda cutes :)

so ppl are against breeding son to mother ?? for chance of deformities ?? isn't nerd big with that isnt that the best way to figure out geneS????? maybe im lost but it seems like theres complaining about the thing that gives use some of the best morphs.. idk maybe im off

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Originally Posted by sho220

So I take it you're not an RDR fan. :D

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Actually, I can appreciate what he's done for BPs at the same time not agree with his breeding/selling/culling methods. RDR is pretty darn close to me, and after seeing his deformed offspring in the general public (and haven't you heard the issues with deformities with RDR Caramel Albino projects? The man uses kinked animals in that project!), I won't spend a dime with him on principle.

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Originally Posted by sho220

It's definitely something to consider, but you're giving us info from a friend who got something second hand from someone else who may have gotten the animal from RDR. How does your friend know the animal was ultimately from RDR? Did the seller just voluntarily give out the info that he was re-selling deformed animals that a big time breeder was selling?

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No question the snake in question came from RDR (and he in fact has others), the seller wouldn't lie about something as silly as that. The seller is a respected member of the local herp industry, he just doesn't do the internet game.

I of course have no reason to lie about the situation, nor have I been known to lie about anything. You can think what you want, I believe my sources (and this video shows that he has deformity issues in his colonies).

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Originally Posted by spaztheweird1

so ppl are against breeding son to mother ?? for chance of deformities ?? isn't nerd big with that isnt that the best way to figure out geneS????? maybe im lost but it seems like theres complaining about the thing that gives use some of the best morphs.. idk maybe im off

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Yeah, you're not getting it. A single Mother x Son or Father x Daughter f1 pairing would rarely produce deformities (like those shown in this video), if at all. What will produce deformities is if you keep doing it generation after generation...Or take ones with deformities and breed them, further spreading the defects.

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Originally Posted by TripleMoonsExotic

Money. Plain and simple. MONEY. :(

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That's pretty effin sad if you ask me.

Guess this is why there is Karma.

I guess what I'm not understanding is just about everything you're asserting. It seems as though you are putting out some hearsay and asking that it be believed without any communication from Ralph.

I'm also having a difficult time understanding why you believe that breeding back to produce an F1 is anything that is bad or frowned upon or dangerous.

You also seem to imply that this clutch came from a long line of 'inbreeding'. Again, Ralph is not here to speak to this, and you do not say that you have spoken to him, and so I think that you are merely creating drama.

Most people understand that albinos carry intrinsic weaknesses and one of those weaknesses are eye problems. Have you bred your albino boa yet? Have you noticed slugs, stillborn's and eye problems? Again, these issues seem to be in the albino line and not a result of breeding back to mother/father.

I have a lot of respect for Ralph for disclosing the successes as well as failures of his clutches. I don't believe that it permits you to take cheap shots (in the form of assumptions, accusations, etc.) without having first spoken with him to gather accurate information and without letting him know that you are casting aspersions and thereby allowing him to respond.

I understand that you have some very strong opinions; but that's just all they are- opinions. Why not call Ralph and get the 'straight scoop'? It's a lot healthier than choosing to be angry ;)

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Originally Posted by TripleMoonsExotic

Money. Plain and simple. MONEY. :(

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So your saying Ralph is in this hobby for the money?

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Originally Posted by starmom

I guess what I'm not understanding is just about everything you're asserting. It seems as though you are putting out some hearsay and asking that it be believed without any communication from Ralph.

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I didn't ask to be believe about anything. I posted my opinion and that's that. Squeezing your eyes shut and covering your ears won't make things go away. ;)

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Originally Posted by starmom

I'm also having a difficult time understanding why you believe that breeding back to produce an F1 is anything that is bad or frowned upon or dangerous.

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I never said that. Don't have any idea where you got that from.

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Originally Posted by starmom

Most people understand that albinos carry intrinsic weaknesses and one of those weaknesses are eye problems. Have you bred your albino boa yet? Have you noticed slugs, stillborn's and eye problems? Again, these issues seem to be in the albino line and not a result of breeding back to mother/father.

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Nope. ;) But we're not talking about Albino Boas (outside my mention that people are selling the eyeless Boas and RESs and in my opinion they should be culled).

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Originally Posted by starmom

I have a lot of respect for Ralph for disclosing the successes as well as failures of his clutches. I don't believe that it permits you to take cheap shots (in the form of assumptions, accusations, etc.) without having first spoken with him to gather accurate information and without letting him know that you are casting aspersions and thereby allowing him to respond.

I understand that you have some very strong opinions; but that's just all they are- opinions. Why not call Ralph and get the 'straight scoop'? It's a lot healthier than choosing to be angry ;)

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I'm not angry, nor can anything I say be considered "cheap shots" because I would tell him to his face I don't agree with his breeding/selling/culling methods. Read my posts. I don't think he should be idolized over it or patted on the back for posting a video showing the deformities that he created when they could have been prevented.

And get real. Do you think I'm the only one who said such things about RDR? You're delusional if you think so. ;)

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Originally Posted by ShawnT

So your saying Ralph is in this hobby for the money?

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lol

You guys realize that breeding offspring back to the parents is standard practice across all human bred animals right?

Dogs. Cats. Birds. All of the varieties come from inbreeding to get the desired trait.