Re: How Much Wobble Is Too Much In Spiders?
OK IVE HEARD THAT THEY DID WHEN THEY WERE SMALL & GREW OUT OF IT,ALSO DEVLOPED IT WHEN THEY HIT 600g,BRED WOBBLERS & HATCHED NON WOBBLERS ,I GUESS IF A TOUGH CALL TO MAKE IF YOU WANT SPIDERS I GUESS YOU GOT WHAT YOU GOT BE HAPPY.IVE GOT HER NOW SO ILL FATTEN HER UP & TAKE SOME PICKS THIS WEEK & POSTEM.
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Tell you the truth, I have never seen my spider wobble at all. got him from RDR and he has been great. He is up to 850 grams and steady as the day I got him.:gj:
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While I think a tendency to wobble is part of the spider mutation I don't completely discount claims by people to have large numbers of non wobbling spiders. I suspect there might be some environmental (possibly nutritional) variable effecting which spiders realize their genetic tendency to spin and which don't and if we could just figure it out we might be able to eliminate the problem.
As far as the ethics, what do you think of tumbler pigeons or fainting goats? The general consensus seems to be that even wobbling spiders seem to eat and breed well so I don't think it's a huge quality of life issue. To me the main problem would be in disclosure and marketing. I have no idea what the originator was telling their direct customers but by the time the issue finally became public there where many secondary sellers. I was talking to a big breeder who bought his first spider from one of these secondary seller (i.e. someone who bought from the originator and then produced their own spiders to sell). This secondary spider seller had enough spider experience by then that they should have been fully aware of wobbling. Also, as far as I know this secondary spider seller is no longer in business. So when the big breeder talks to the guy he bought his spider from and describes the wobbling this secondary spider seller told the big breeder (who is someone who has brought new morphs to market) that he was just watching his snake too close and there wasn't an issue. This was all within weeks of it finally breaking public on kingsnake.
I think because you can't control what your customers are going to tell their customers there is an ethical imperative to make any issues public at the time a project is first sold. That way it's a level playing field. Secondary sellers that don't feel the need to mention the issue don't have an advantage over ones that do and customers who aren't well enough connected to have heard of the issue don't have a disadvantage. With all the info out for public discussion each buyer can make up their own mind if they think it's a big deal or not. Once the first animal is sold it’s a public project and there should be no secrets.
Personally I think the spider is just too nice a morph and the issue is minor enough that it should continue to be bred. But by the time I chose to loan my females out to produce my spiders the issue was already public. Both my spiders are young and I haven't seen anything yet. I stopped trying to watch ball pythons eat years ago due to their shy nature but now I'm going to have to try a peak some day to see if I can catch a wobble. Maybe if I had a bad wobbler I would feel differently. I know if I had been an early purchaser paying thousands of dollars for a spider without knowing about this issue I would definitely be upset because even if mine didn’t spin the issue affects the whole spider market.
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this is a great post. id love to see how many people have actualy seen the wobble and ignored. i love spiders and am gettin one in sept so please keep this goin guys. thanks!
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I mentioned this in another thread a while ago and got no response, lets see if anyone here has an opinion.
When I was a child one of my friends dad had an inner ear disorder that gave him vertigo and he could never walk in a straight line, sometimes it was so severe that he appeared to be quite intoxicated, he never drank.
I wonder if the wobble in spiders could be something like this.
Thanks,
Rich
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My spider only did it for the first few months I got him. He was 150g now 700. Now he's fine. He's a really aggressive eater, and when food is introduced he is rock solid stable. No wobbling, stability, or coordination issues. I just purchased a hatchling bumblebee, and have noticed that he spins a bit. Its not as bad as my spider was though. Hopefully it will go away as well.
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I have 3 spiders one has slight wobble when he smells food, the other has no visible wobble at all. The third is a hatchling and hasnt shown much yet.
I find it intersting that people jump on the nuerological bandwagon. If you have studied the spider behavior or have actually seen a snake with nuerological damage you would see the behaviors are quite different. I would avoid one that is spinning as that is a much more exaggerated form of the behavior.
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