Lets talk lesser and butters

I still honestly think that the two morphs are part of the same gene complex, but with different individual gene expression. That would also explain why some butters look more like lessers and some lessers more like butters. (ie it's not one single gene that causes the butter effect, nor a single gene that causes the lesser effect, but a combination of genes from the same toolkit).

My .02


Cheers,
Kat

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Well, how about the difference they create when combined with other morphs?

For example, the butter spider and the lesser spider.

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Well goodness! I had not seen those 2 pictures before. Hmmm, might be revamping my original thought that they are the same morph.....

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Originally Posted by janeothejungle

I still honestly think that the two morphs are part of the same gene complex, but with different individual gene expression. That would also explain why some butters look more like lessers and some lessers more like butters. (ie it's not one single gene that causes the butter effect, nor a single gene that causes the lesser effect, but a combination of genes from the same toolkit).

My .02


Cheers,
Kat

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So are you suggesting different allele combos then?

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Well, how about the difference they create when combined with other morphs?

For example, the butter spider and the lesser spider.

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hehe. just what i was thinking...:D

Here are pics of my adult Butter...

Someone post some of an adult Lesser.

Butter
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...sButter020.jpg

Butter x Black Pastel
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...ackPastel1.jpg

lesser and butters are ugly.. They all look the same with a little different color. Big Deal! Mojaves on the other hand.. Kick arse!
JMHO!!:D

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Well, how about the difference they create when combined with other morphs?

For example, the butter spider and the lesser spider.

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I think the examples you are using are an older animal and a younger animal which to me explains much of the darkness. Not that it's that much of a difference mind you.

Personally I think they're the same morph, just different founder animals from different wild populations. I predict that the more they're outbred the quicker you won't be able to tell them apart.

You can't tell them apart now in a lot of collections.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...SIVE31/091.jpg

1170 female lesser

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/IMG_0752.jpg

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Originally Posted by jknudson

To me, butters and lessers seem to be basically different lines of the same morph, similar to pastels. Sometimes they look different, and their supers look a fair bit different, but the genes react in a similar fashion.

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yep, exactly!