Het Pied "Markers"--Fact or Fiction?

I think the markers are helpful but not 100% reliable. If I were buying a het and was picking between one with markers and one without I would probably go with the marker.

Lets go visual :)

Here's the picture version of my experience with markers...

CH Female that proved to be het pied, she's now nearly 4000g.
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Her 2005 Pastel son, proved 100% het pied
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Pics of two markered 50% offspring of above pastel het pied
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Great pics Justin. That big girl makes the CB-70 tub look so small. So you had no idea she might have been het for pied before she proved out?

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

Great pics Justin. That big girl makes the CB-70 tub look so small. So you had no idea she might have been het for pied before she proved out?

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Not a clue. the only thing I knew was that her son's back markings looked similar to hers. I noticed the bellies after they produced pieds when bred together.

I don't think she even knew that she was a het pied. She's never eaten like one! Shhhh... she might hear us.

Justin

I have 1.1 100% Het Pieds and neither of them have it. So in my world the 80% rule I read somewhere is total BS LOL!:D

I did see a Petsmart WC normal with the marker though, Wow, I thought what are the odds? Not that great I suppose. I believe like someone said before, some breeder with good business sense came up with a great marketing scheme to sell possibles.

For what it's worth - I have normals with awesome pied markers - and they pass on the markers to a majority of their offspring. IMO - the markers are a genetic phenotype not necessarily indicative of the pied gene. But I'm often wrong......

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Originally Posted by Surfer

I have 1.1 100% Het Pieds and neither of them have it. So in my world the 80% rule I read somewhere is total BS LOL!:D

I did see a Petsmart WC normal with the marker though, Wow, I thought what are the odds? Not that great I suppose. I believe like someone said before, some breeder with good business sense came up with a great marketing scheme to sell possibles.

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I have nothing to gain from relating my experience and my experience has not been minimal, and is continuing to grow. For those who feel that a striped belly is unrelated from the pied trait, I invite you to purchase any poss het pieds that I sell without markers because I will sell them for a fraction of the price! So for me this is not a way to make extra money.

I really do wish that there were no het pied markers. Because I believe their are, I cannot and will not in good conscience sell an unmarkered possible het for the same price as a markered one.

I will openly post any findings that I discover in my breedings. This year should give a lot of data in the debate and I will post all of it in the my official clutch thread. Like all of you I'm only interested in discovering the truth and understanding the animals better!

Justin

Wow Justin! I knew that you hit the BP lotto... but never knew the specifics...That's just amazing!!! So, Do you believe that pieds would have been produced if you had bred the mother to a established pied line... say a proven 100% het pied male... or do you think that breeding back to her son had something to do with it?

And have you tried proving out any other CH snakes with the markers?

*Great thread guys* :D

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Originally Posted by Laooda

Wow Justin! I knew that you hit the BP lotto... but never knew the specifics...That's just amazing!!! So, Do you believe that pieds would have been produced if you had bred the mother to a established pied line... say a proven 100% het pied male... or do you think that breeding back to her son had something to do with it?

And have you tried proving out any other CH snakes with the markers?

*Great thread guys* :D

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I did hit the lotto :)

I'm sure that my ch girl is a typical het pied (aside from being a new line). I had just never bred her to the correct male so that I could prove her before last year.

She's breeding this year to my piebald male :)

I'm breeding several clutches this year of Pied x Normal with markers... I don't really expect much from them, (except het pieds), but I'll report any findings!

Justin

Well I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you! And look forward to hearing what you produce! :)