Eek! 111 degrees??

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

but i still can not hurt if they have a spot that is nice and cool. right????

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So, basically, they have a spot that is nice and cool, and a spot that's way too hot for thermoregulating. Why do you think they get burned on heat rocks? According to the Barkers, their belly is not as sensitive as their dorsal scales to alert them when they are on something too hot. So, 111 degrees is too hot to have in the enclosure and risk a belly burn. To tell someone they shouldn't worry about temps that high is not good advice, IMHO.

I would suggest the PE-2 temp gun from Pro Exotics, I got it and I gotta tell ya the thing is a god send. I check temps about 5 times a day and with the gun... takes about 1 minute out of my day! Hope this helps!

Awesome, I'll probably go with that one. For some reason I thought they were way more expensive.

Yeah, I paid 53.00 with shipping. The best money I've ever spent.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

So, basically, they have a spot that is nice and cool, and a spot that's way too hot for thermoregulating. Why do you think they get burned on heat rocks? According to the Barkers, their belly is not as sensitive as their dorsal scales to alert them when they are on something too hot. So, 111 degrees is too hot to have in the enclosure and risk a belly burn. To tell someone they shouldn't worry about temps that high is not good advice, IMHO.

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the diffenence between a heat rock and a rock that is hot because a light is on it is obvious. the snake will be able to tell the heat is there when it feals it on its back. these snakes do live in holes but have been found durring the day out and about. and in africa the day time temp can get to over 120.
think about how warm 111degs isnt. that is only 12.4 degs warmer than your hands when you hold the snake. not that big of a deal.

Do you have a tstat controlling the heat sources? If not i would suggest it. Also i agree with what everyone said about temp guns. I think they are great:gj:

whats up juddb. havent crossed paths with u in a bit.

they get burned on heat rocks because usually the heat rock is too small for the animal. If provided with a heat rock that will warm the entire animal then you should be fine. I read in an article somewhere that reptiles don't have the nerve endings to be able to feel points of heat, yet respond very well to their whole bodies heating up. And i think they tested it out, and on an appropriate sized heat source of the same temperature that was thought to cause burns, the animals moved before they were burned. So it's not high temps, but too highly concentrated hot spots that are actually the problem. Now if only I could find that article.

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

the diffenence between a heat rock and a rock that is hot because a light is on it is obvious. the snake will be able to tell the heat is there when it feals it on its back. these snakes do live in holes but have been found durring the day out and about. and in africa the day time temp can get to over 120.
think about how warm 111degs isnt. that is only 12.4 degs warmer than your hands when you hold the snake. not that big of a deal.

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BPs are nocturnal animals. While you might see one on occasion out and about during the days in africa, they spend most of the day in their burrows, where it is significantly cooler.

Not to mention every breeder or keeper I've ever spoken to would agree that 111 degrees is FAR too warm for a BP. They are not baskers.

It's my snake and his health involved and sorry but I DO think it's a big deal.

verry informative mike.

you are right hotspots from most heatrocks being pieces of crap are usually the problem.
the problem in this thread is that there is a hot spot under a heat lamp. wich i say is normal for heat lamps. and as long as there is a nice cool spot for the snake to thermoregulate all is well.