Do people falsely use the Graziani line...

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Originally Posted by MarkS

I'm not sure I entirely agree with this, rather I think the definition of a 'line' will be redefined. I can forsee a day when speaking of a certain 'line' will not refer to the breeder that imported it from Africa, but rather it will refer to the breeder who created a certain look through selective breeding...

Mark

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I think (and hope) that this will happen. While it is certainly nice for someone to get their name known for being the first to prove out a certain morph, it is a lot more work to create or refine something through selective breeding. I hope breeders that take the time to do this and produce something special will be recognized!

My daughter is interested in corn snakes so I've been browsing around to try to learn more about them. They've been bred in captivity and morphs (which probably were not called morphs back then) since like the 60's or something. Certain looks that existed in the wild were usually named for the region they were found in, such as one called Miami. One of the most beautiful wild varieties is called Okatee (or something close). Someone named Abbott started picking out the most striking Okatees and breeding them and now there are Abbott Okatees which are definitely even more beautiful than regular Okatees and also sell for quite a bit more.

In thoroughbred race horses, people will usually talk about certain lines based on the name of the horse that was the founding sire of that line.

I'd love to see more of that going on too. Thing is, it takes time--quite a long time, with animals that take 3 years to mature. The payoff in the end is that you really DO have something no one else has, and they absolutely can't produce it unless they buy a pair of animals from you. With the huge number of genetic morphs being found in BPs, lines bred for traits the 'hard way' are rare.
Nothing to do about that but relax and get started. :D
BPs have quite a nice color palette of brown, black, orange, yellow, and white. Imagine a 'normal' ball python line simply bred to accentuate one of those colors, or to reduce or increase patterning...etc. Patiently adding some of the genetic morphs into those lines could create some astonishing animals.

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Originally Posted by Seneschal

Weeeellll I might have one for sale if you have the right price...:halohorn: :D But y'know it's so stupenderific I just can't show you a picture!:cool:

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And what gender did you Want it to be? *turns his back* Yup. It's a girl. ;)

the pastel I have was actually an import from Africa.. so does that mean I can call it an Abrams line pastel? :D

When I bought my pastel, his being Graziani line was an added bonus but not the reason I bought him. I really do not judge a pastel on its lineage; more on its looks. I personally love the look with lots of blushing, and Grazianis are pretty well known for that, so it helped..