mojave = lesser ?

Thanks - that's where I was going. I figured it had to be the same gene if crossing them producted the same result. The ABO blood types is a good example - multiple alleles for the same gene. That would also mean there are more then 4 possible combinations and in this case give mojave, lesser, butter, BEL and ?

don't forget ralph davis' phantoms make BELs and so do Vincent Rosso's snake
http://www.cuttingedgeherp.com/nss-f...tLuckyNorm.jpg

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Originally Posted by kavmon

some interesting things to note,


lesser combos look different than mojo combos.

the lucy's from mojo's look different than ones from lessers.

butter and lesser combos look the same, as do the lucy's they produce.


can you tell which one is a butter, or a lesser?

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...6/9/850701.JPG

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...6/9/850702.JPG



just some thoughts.


vaughn

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just some bad a-- bp's!!! There smokin Vaughn:D

I also think the thing that turns a lesser into a platy is yet another version of this same gene. And there is also the mocha. Possibly even the special to make a crystal (or maybe different, not much evidence one way or another on that as yet unseen animal). So, just listing the ones with good public evidence and with a possible double listing for butter and lesser which might or might not be the same mutation I suspect the following are all different versions of the same gene:

lesser
butter
mojave
phantom
Vin Russo high lemon yellow
mocha
the otherwise hidden gene that turns a lesser into a platy

Why there would be 7 or possibly more different mutations of this particular gene I don't know. It must be at the center of some very interesting chemistry. I even recently started to wonder if cinnamon and black pastel could also be in this group. Need some breeding results to test for that.

Has anyone even heard of breeding results from the black snake produced by crossing cinnamon and black pastel when bred to a normal? If only cinnamons and black pastels are produced and the two types are pretty distinct then those two are probably alleles with each other regardless of if they are in the same complex as the above list.

top is a butter, bottom is a lesser. I think. If Im right do I get them??? They are gorgeous Vaughn.

It would also be interesting to take the crossed BELs(lesserXmojave, etc) and put them to a normal and see what falls out.

I wonder if there are more than one gene involved.....

Jennifer

MKR did that last year and reportedly produced a large number of just lessers and mojavies (no normals and no leucistics). RDR had done this already with a lesser X phantom leucistic (karma) with the same sort of results but the reported MKR sample size was large enough to support the results not being a fluke. This tends to prove that only one gene is involved (close linking is also possible but doesn't seem likely). The consistent differences in apperence between mojave and lesser after much outbreeding tends to indicate two different mutant versions of that one gene - i.e. a multiple mutant allele complex.