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Re: Spins and shakes in Spiders - Genetic Connection?
I really don't see how a genetically passed neurological disorder isn't a defect, but you call it what ever makes you feel better. I am wondering if this is noticed from birth or is it an onset from being exposed to environmental factors or chemical agents or do they display it at any age with no apparent reason . Has anyone found that external factors increased it in severity of the "condition" in animals that displayed it already.
Chuck
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Re: Spins and shakes in Spiders - Genetic Connection?
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Originally Posted by Chuck
I really don't see how a genetically passed neurological disorder isn't a defect, but you call it what ever makes you feel better. I am wondering if this is noticed from birth or is it an onset from being exposed to environmental factors or chemical agents or do they display it at any age with no apparent reason . Has anyone found that external factors increased it in severity of the "condition" in animals that displayed it already.
Chuck
Chuck,
It is my understanding that spiders are all born with this genetic defect. Some just exhibit it more than others. There has been no external factors that trigger it that I know of.
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Re: Spins and shakes in Spiders - Genetic Connection?
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Originally Posted by MPenn
Chuck,
It is my understanding that spiders are all born with this genetic defect. Some just exhibit it more than others. There has been no external factors that trigger it that I know of.
My spider barely BARELY has it took me months to see it. But when he gets really excited before a feed or I startle him his little super slight head waggle gets worse.
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Re: Spins and shakes in Spiders - Genetic Connection?
Mike
Thanks that was what I sorta understood but I wanted to ask just to see if there were people out there with different experiences.
Chuck
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Re: Spins and shakes in Spiders - Genetic Connection?
Mine does it. She only really does it when you're holding her and she extends off your hand or arm into the air - when her head isn't supported she starts to corkscrew. Put your other hand back under her and it stops - until she goes off into the air again. But other than that she's a perfect snake. Puppy tame, eats f/t like a machine, and so forth.
I don't consider it a defect in that (from my limited observation) it doesn't negatively impact them. If they couldn't eat, or had severe locomotion defects, or some other debilitating issue then I would say, yes, we shouldn't breed these. But right now, I see it as just a quirk of owning one.
Just my 2¢
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Re: Spins and shakes in Spiders - Genetic Connection?
Yes it is genetical, neurological I believe is an assumption . Someone correct me if i am wrong but I believe there is no proof what causes it.
Some may say defect and some may say characteristic. I think that is more a matter of opinion. I think those that have owned them for years may think the latter and those who don't own one and lean towards the negative say the other.
It is a matter of opinion, thats all.
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Re: Spins and shakes in Spiders - Genetic Connection?
If I remember correctly, there are normals who demonstrate this "abnormality", or whatever you want to call it, too, and they are just fine health-wise. So it's not just Spiders.
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Re: Spins and shakes in Spiders - Genetic Connection?
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Originally Posted by westcoastjungle
Yes it is genetical, neurological I believe is an assumption . Someone correct me if i am wrong but I believe there is no proof what causes it.
Some may say defect and some may say characteristic. I think that is more a matter of opinion. I think those that have owned them for years may think the latter and those who don't own one and lean towards the negative say the other.
It is a matter of opinion, thats all.
No one knows what causes it is right Raul. Whether its from excessive inbreeding from the original gene from Africa or if it is simply part of the complex process that makes a mutation to start with we may never know.
What I do know is that I love spiders Plan on having tons of them and the combos. So for those people afraid to buy them thats fine MORE FOR ME.
My question is and not to get off track but do Bees, and other spider crosses exhibit this or just the base morph ?
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Re: Spins and shakes in Spiders - Genetic Connection?
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Originally Posted by SatanicIntention
If I remember correctly, there are normals who demonstrate this "abnormality", or whatever you want to call it, too, and they are just fine health-wise. So it's not just Spiders.
True. I have a 1800 gram normal female that has what I call a 'twitch or tweak'...If you watch her with her head/neck extended she moves her head in VERY slight circular motions...and on rare occasion will twitch her head from side to side. I've tried to catch her odd behavior on video...but its just so subtle... yet noticable enough that none of my others to anything similar.
However...I've had her since she was 600 grams...she eats fine, passes waste and urates fine, sheds without issue, and hopefully this winter will breed and produce viable eggs just as well.
Watch your snakes closely...I bet you'd pick out a few odd behaviors in one or two.. I have another snake that will move about oddly compared to my others, when lights are off.
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Re: Spins and shakes in Spiders - Genetic Connection?
Haha Freaky Frog I was just about to ask the same thing. I haven't ever heard of the spider crosses displaying that kind of behavior, but I wasn't sure if that was just me or what.
When I hear about a spinner, I always wonder if it something to do with their equilibrum. The corkscrewing ans stuff almost sounds like they are trying to right themselves, but can't figure out what way is up. I don't konw that I would ever breed them, I just don't think I could handle it if I ended up with a trainwreck spinner, but I love the combos, and they are awsome looking snakes. I know for a fact that I wouldn't breed a bad spinner though....
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