Craigslist

Yep they are selling and don't want to spend the money or time to post a proper ad somewhere so they misuse CL. If you are breeding with the intent to sell the offspring, you are NOT an adopter/rescuer and you are NOT charging a "rehoming fee", you are selling an animal, plain and simple. If you want to be considered an honest breeder/seller, don't you think you need to start at least with these basics? :)

First of all I am a honest person, And a small rehoming fee is not being dishonest, a person can go to a local pet store spend 90 dollars on a normal get no help and no nothing about where the snake came from. I sell them for 45 and they get all the info and help afterwards. I like to make sure that my babies are going somewhere that they are being taken care of. I meet people in my area and no one has had a problem with the 45 fee. Call it what you want, but the advertising is free and I choose to sell it or not. I so far have not had to ship any snakes ans I have stayed in touch with all the people.

I advertise rescues on CL. I take in strays, vaccinate, speuter, treat any illnesses, rid them of parasites, and post them on CL (and a bunch of other places). I tend to ask $50-$80 for an adoption fee, depending on how much I've put into them. The amount is always less than what it's cost me in medical bills, yet I've still been accused of "selling for profit" there.

Selling animals you have intentionally produced is selling. That is not the intent of CL, and if I see those ads, I flag them down. It's a BS excuse to get free advertising, cut corners, and abuse the system.

I have to agree with melinda on this one -
Why advertise your normal males on kingsnake or sell to a local pet store, when you can use local classifieds as an opportunity to reach out to the local community and educate them?
I have rehomed a few snakes on CL - and every time I have done so, I steered someone away from buying from a petstore, which is an important goal of mine. With each rehoming, I have taught the new owner about proper care, the difference between CB and imported pet store junk, and have been reassured that the new owner is absolutely ready for the responibility rather than some impulse buy at a petshop. I always give my number and email, so that whenever there is a question or a problem, they can ALWAYS call me.
I think my intensions are extremely positive, and Im sorry If I happen to breed my snakes as well. I dont NEED to sell on CL, but I do feel an obligation as an ENTHUSIAST to make people aware of the truth and what their options are.
It's all in the passion of the animal for me.
Im sure for others, it's not.
The rehoming fee for the few of them has been $30 - I will NOT give them away to some dimwit who wants a trophy. There WILL be a price, because snakes do come with a hidden price and it is one way of filtering out those dimwits.
just my opinion - :D

I appreciate that you provide info to your customers, but it still explicitly says on CL "No animal sales or breeding". So you are in direct violation of their terms.

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Originally Posted by sophia

Hi,

I'm looking at a couple snakes for adoption on Craigslist, but I want to approach the situation with caution because I've had plenty of deals go bad on CL. The last thing I want is to get a shady seller and involve a live animal in it all.

What sort of questions should I ask? I've got some standard stuff covered, such as CB/CH, care history, health history, and so on, but I really don't want to miss anything. I have a BP who is healthy and thriving, but I'm still starting out in keeping herps.

Who here as gone through the process and what words of advice do you have?

Thanks,
Sophia

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Ask if you can see the animals first, that way you can try to do a visual examination of any possible health problems like belly rot or mites first.

Ask what they have been fed in the past and what their feeding routine is, do they always eat etc.

Ask to see what type of enclosure they have been kept in, the heating methods etc.

Don't worry about asking too many questions - if the seller gets snippy at you because you're 'poking around' too much then they aren't worth buying from... I decided not to buy from two seperate sources because of precisely this and a questionable reputation of the one even though the asking price was by far the cheapest. If they don't want to answer questions about the animals health, and are annoyed that you are concerned with this, I typically believe that it says something about the care the animal has received and the overall concern for their health.

And as already stated, make sure to quarentine them after you've brought them home.

OUt of curiousity, do you speed, even ever so slightly? Ever gove through a yellow light?

90% of americans disobey the speed limits and traffic laws , and because of selfish reasons, too. We want to go where we want to go as fast as we want to do it.

Now when I breed a pastel to a normal, my intensions are to hatch out some pastels and females, not so much normal males. Those normal males are not meant for the breeding world, nor the breeding market. They are meant for quality homes. They are in my home, and I would like to rehome them to a qualified family. I simply can not refuse these little educational gems to my local public because craigslist wrote a rule against breeding- they are trying to stop people with bad intentions, and I am not one of those people. I am not selling puggles for market price. I rehoming ball pythons, below market price, with a world of knowledge attached to them. :D

I have steered away from the topic. My bad.

That pot-kettle argument is a diversion, nothing more.

Pay to take out a classifed in your newspaper. That's what it's for. Don't knowingly violate the CL rules, and then defend it because you're better than those other bad breeders. You are a breeder, period.

The point is though that you willingly decided to breed, knowing you were going to have normal males to deal with. That's just a part of breeding, we can't control the odds or the ratios. So knowing this, why not have a plan in place that doesn't include breaking rules on a website? What's the difference between doing that at CL and doing that here at BPNet? There's rules here too about advertising and so forth. Should the breeders here be trying to get around those rules anymore than at any other site?

Yup, what she said.
It's not "Oh, I have these worthless males, I need to get rid of them as cheaply as possible". The act of bringing a life into the world is a great responsibility.