prices at daytona.

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

is that why only 1 day after the show. prices on fauana and kingsnake have fallen greatly because of the daytona prices. say what you want daytona prices set the tone for all others

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KS & Fauna are just little specks in the selling world of reptiles. Also Daytona's reptile show... is just that, a show. There is no one there saying to the people who set up there "you have to lower your prices because this is Daytona". If people want to get out of the snake world, let them. In the end it will be the one's who are truly passionate in what they do. Also it seems like all of this is just what you "heard". I know when I hear something from someone I don't assume that to always be true or the whole case. I like to make sure I know all the facts before jumping in without any cover or backup.

From all the prices I saw myself at the show, the prices were about the norm for ball python morphs. There were some real bargains, it's Daytona, and there's always some really great prices on something.
I've been pricing mojaves online for the last two months. The prices in Daytona were almost identical. I had to relaly search to find the bargain that I did.
Recessives especially seemed to be higher than I expected, but of course they WERE lower than last year. That's normal.
Give it a week or so after Daytona and compare pricing. I don't think it affects the market much that there are some bargains found.

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

now i am not going to ask what they will be in the next week or year as those threads start wars. i am just couerious to what the average is people saw on bp's. i herd they sunk to a new all time low and just wanted to confirm that with what the bp.net crew saw.

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for a boa guy, you sure are interested in ball prices!!

some may only get 600-700 for an albino, some with better marketing and business and service may get 1000:D



vaughn

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

is that why only 1 day after the show. prices on fauana and kingsnake have fallen greatly because of the daytona prices. say what you want daytona prices set the tone for all others

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Fauna and Kingsnake are not the Barometer for the ball market. You have every thing from NERD to "Jimmy's" Fauna and KS are sale it cheap Sale it Fast get it gone sites. The prices have fallen because the :taz: on there are scared that now they have competition in their price range from some reputable people so they go lower than some can. A 500.00 albino on KS sure hell MKR was selling mojaves and lessers for 800 two years ago..Look where they ended up. forget KS and Fauna when it comes to pricing. For the most part is a flea-market.

Here ya go prime example

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...33&postcount=6

I got a great looking male lesser from a very big breeder for $750 and a male albino for $550. I don't remeber who I got the albino from without looking at the receipt. The albino was a sunday afternoon at 4:30 deal that I really had to hunt for. I got turned down by a lot of breeders before one accepted my offer. I don't think anyone there was getting $1000 for an albino. At most tables the listed price seemed to be between $700-$950 on albinos. Late in the day on sunday are when most of the really low prices start popping up, but I was able to get the lesser on saturday morning at about 11:00. To be honest I was shocked when I asked what he would do on a male lesser was and he told me $750. I did not even have to make an offer. I figured I would be able to get a male lesser for about $800, but I thought I would have to wait until sunday afternoon. Now I really don't think these prices are the new market price(at least not the albino price). I think everything in daytona is always a little cheaper than usual. I think that's the point of the show, to see everything and to be able to get better deals on things than you normally would. I do agree with others that there seemed to be less people this year selling BP's which is a good thing IMO. I thought the amount of balls and boas seemed to be pretty equal.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Fauna and Kingsnake are not the Barometer for the ball market. You have every thing from NERD to "Jimmy's" Fauna and KS are sale it cheap Sale it Fast get it gone sites. The prices have fallen because the :taz: on there are scared that now they have competition in their price range from some reputable people so they go lower than some can.

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I disagree somewhat...sure KS (and Daytona) don't set the price but it is an indicator of the direction and value the market (in general) is placing on certain morphs.

Albinos before Daytona were $900 (cheap) to $1500ish (reputable breeder/quality)...now they are $650 (cheap) to $1000ish (quality) - so why the drop? It becuase the market is saying that albinos aren't worth as much regardless of what the quality is. Sure you pay more for quality but you will pay less for that quality since Daytona.

Yes, there are lots of reasons behind this, # in the market, # breeders, ease of aquiring, peoples view of their value etc....but Daytona is where the first real indicator (and then KS) of what the market will bear for a particular animal. It is a similar reason why Pieds have held to such a high retail...they are still valued by collectors (even though they have been around almost as long as Albinos)

You also have to consider the volume done via KS and Fauna before you say they don't matter.

Just my take

The ball python market is maturing and honestly I'm to the point where I no longer search for the best deal. I want the best animal and sure I'll haggle the price a little, but in the end I'll end up paying hundreds if not thousand more than the "average" example at the table next door.

I think a LOT of ball python hobbiest and breeders are coming to this point. Single examples of prices anywhere mean nothing. If you average them all together you'll get a feel of where a project is priced at.

Justin

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Originally Posted by lord jackel

I disagree somewhat...sure KS (and Daytona) don't set the price but it is an indicator of the direction and value the market (in general) is placing on certain morphs.

Albinos before Daytona were $900 (cheap) to $1500ish (reputable breeder/quality)...now they are $650 (cheap) to $1000ish (quality) - so why the drop? It becuase the market is saying that albinos aren't worth as much regardless of what the quality is. Sure you pay more for quality but you will pay less for that quality since Daytona.

Yes, there are lots of reasons behind this, # in the market, # breeders, ease of aquiring, peoples view of their value etc....but Daytona is where the first real indicator (and then KS) of what the market will bear for a particular animal. It is a similar reason why Pieds have held to such a high retail...they are still valued by collectors (even though they have been around almost as long as Albinos)

You also have to consider the volume done via KS and Fauna before you say they don't matter.

Just my take

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Agreed however if you were to look at the volume of snakes NERD, RDR, VPI, even 8ball, EBN and so on sell there they are a drop in the bucket of guys like me and others that are doing it as a hobby. So if some of the largest producers in the world don't even make up 25% of the sales or adds on KS or Fauna. Yet I'd be willing to bet they sell more balls than KS and Fauna combined every year. I still think basing price expectancy based KS and Fauna is partly what is helping drive the prices down.

As for expos they are three day free-for-alls the big guys sometimes lower their prices to establish a new customer in hopes of a return sale some don't care.Try and Jew Collete Sutherland down on her prices and see how far you get.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Agreed however if you were to look at the volume of snakes NERD, RDR, VPI, even 8ball, EBN and so on sell there they are a drop in the bucket of guys like me and others that are doing it as a hobby. So if some of the largest producers in the world don't even make up 25% of the sales or adds on KS or Fauna. Yet I'd be willing to bet they sell more balls than KS and Fauna combined every year. I still think basing price expectancy based KS and Fauna is partly what is helping drive the prices down.

As for expos they are three day free-for-alls the big guys sometimes lower their prices to establish a new customer in hopes of a return sale some don't care.Try and Jew Collete Sutherland down on her prices and see how far you get.

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Agreed...if true. It would be interesting to know how much of the annual BP volume is done via KS and Fauna. As for shows I agree they are a free for all...but again that is where "most" people are exposed to pricing and that sets in their mind next time they go to make a purchase.

I guess my question is realistically how much could a NERD, RDR, etc. get vs. what is being presented in the mass market? (and yes I know they can ask whatever they want but how much higher then "cheap" is the avg. purchaser willing to go. 10%, 100%, 300%, what?)

I am like a lot of you here - willing to pay more for quality from a reputable breeder...but what I have determined is how much more :confused: .

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Originally Posted by jkobylka

The ball python market is maturing and honestly I'm to the point where I no longer search for the best deal. I want the best animal and sure I'll haggle the price a little, but in the end I'll end up paying hundreds if not thousand more than the "average" example at the table next door.

I think a LOT of ball python hobbiest and breeders are coming to this point. Single examples of prices anywhere mean nothing. If you average them all together you'll get a feel of where a project is priced at.

Justin

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i agree, good post!!


good deals can be found, if your only criteria is price. it is not hard to find the lowest. when you start to look for the best examples or the best service and trust, imo price is farther down the ladder.

personally i would rather pay a little more and have peace of mind. in the event of a problem i would be taken care of, rather than the feeling of not knowing or am i out of luck??

when deals go good, everything is cake. when deals go bad or animals die or get sick. that's when you need the great service and trust.


vaughn