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  • 07-25-2007, 04:33 PM
    slartibartfast
    Re: Deathly afraid!!!
    First thing first: DON'T WORRY!

    If they only got into it today, and you got them to vomit it up, and the vet started them on Vitamin K, they will be just fine!

    I promise!

    We do this all the time at my job, and you did exactly what they needed. They will be fine!

    A couple of other points you may have missed in your excitement:
    1. Rat poison does not cause bleeding. It prevents clotting...a minor point, but important.

    2. It generally takes a week without treatment before the coagulopathy gets so bad that the owners actually notice a problem (pale gums, coughing, small wounds that won't stop bleeding, bloody vomit or diarrhea).

    3. Even when they have gone that long without treatment, we can still bring them back with a blood transfusion.

    So I repeat...Don't worry! You acted perfectly, and they will be fine! Continue your vitamin K therapy, recheck your coagulation bloodwork in a couple of weeks (before you run out of pills <---this is important) and try to relax. :-)
  • 07-25-2007, 04:35 PM
    darkangel
    Re: Deathly afraid!!!
    I'm so sorry. :hug: I'm glad you were able to get them to the vet so quickly. They'll definetly be in my thoughts.
  • 07-25-2007, 04:40 PM
    Gooseman
    Re: Deathly afraid!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by slartibartfast
    First thing first: DON'T WORRY!

    If they only got into it today, and you got them to vomit it up, and the vet started them on Vitamin K, they will be just fine!

    I promise!

    We do this all the time at my job, and you did exactly what they needed. They will be fine!

    A couple of other points you may have missed in your excitement:
    1. Rat poison does not cause bleeding. It prevents clotting...a minor point, but important.

    2. It generally takes a week without treatment before the coagulopathy gets so bad that the owners actually notice a problem (pale gums, coughing, small wounds that won't stop bleeding, bloody vomit or diarrhea).

    3. Even when they have gone that long without treatment, we can still bring them back with a blood transfusion.

    So I repeat...Don't worry! You acted perfectly, and they will be fine! Continue your vitamin K therapy, recheck your coagulation bloodwork in a couple of weeks (before you run out of pills <---this is important) and try to relax. :-)

    That is VERY good to hear, however I have a question. You said it generally takes a week to see problems, however it only took 4 hours for my little dachshunds gums to look bruised. What does that mean to you? I take it it's not a good sign...

    Thank you for the information, the more info the better!
  • 07-25-2007, 04:55 PM
    slartibartfast
    Re: Deathly afraid!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gooseman
    That is VERY good to hear, however I have a question. You said it generally takes a week to see problems, however it only took 4 hours for my little dachshunds gums to look bruised. What does that mean to you? I take it it's not a good sign...

    Thank you for the information, the more info the better!

    You are quite welcome. We deal with a couple of these a week, at least and are accustomed to the panicked owners. :-) As long as you seek treatment immediately, they do just fine.

    Now, regarding the bruising...either the dog got into it several days ago as well, or was chewing on something hard that caused bruising. The coagulopathy does not develop in minutes. A third, less probable explanation is that your dog has some other coagulopathy not connected to the rodenticide..unlikely, but possible. Your vet's bloodwork should show if the clotting times are prolonged. If they are normal, then assume the bruising was related to physical damage, not coagulopathy.
  • 07-25-2007, 06:27 PM
    Ginevive
    Re: Deathly afraid!!!
    Oh crud; I am really sorry about that. I truly hope that they are ok.. they look like little cuties.
  • 07-25-2007, 07:01 PM
    Gooseman
    Re: Deathly afraid!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by slartibartfast
    You are quite welcome. We deal with a couple of these a week, at least and are accustomed to the panicked owners. :-) As long as you seek treatment immediately, they do just fine.

    Now, regarding the bruising...either the dog got into it several days ago as well, or was chewing on something hard that caused bruising. The coagulopathy does not develop in minutes. A third, less probable explanation is that your dog has some other coagulopathy not connected to the rodenticide..unlikely, but possible. Your vet's bloodwork should show if the clotting times are prolonged. If they are normal, then assume the bruising was related to physical damage, not coagulopathy.

    Well, my dad had set the poison out today, so there is no chance of there being a prior occurance, and the gums were fine when she first went into the vet so I know something happened there. Don't know what though, yet the vet did not seem too worried about the gums though so I'll take that as a good sign.
  • 07-25-2007, 07:35 PM
    dr del
    Re: Deathly afraid!!!
    Hey,


    Fingers crossed for a happy outcome Ben.

    From the info proveded it sounds like you caught everything in time but keep us posted on how they do.



    dr del
  • 07-25-2007, 07:41 PM
    python.princess
    Re: Deathly afraid!!!
    poor little guys! be glad you guys caught it so soon! a couple weeks ago my friends pup was poisoned. she quit eating and was having trouble walking. it was pretty touch and go for a while but she's doing alright so i'm sure your babies will make it through as well!
  • 07-25-2007, 08:26 PM
    Blu Mongoose
    Re: Deathly afraid!!!
    Was just reading about your dogs. Hope all goes well. It's so good that you caught it fast! Here's hoping for a full recovery for both.
  • 07-26-2007, 01:41 AM
    Gooseman
    Re: Deathly afraid!!!
    Thanks again everyone, I cannot wait to pick them up from the vet tomorrow tomorrow. The vet is giving me vitamin k pills to give to my gals along with several check-ups along the way. I'm hoping for the best.
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