nicaraguan, hog island breeders?

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Originally Posted by darkangel

Unrelated : qik your PM box is full.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

I'll admit, Erin is a good guy. And I don't act like I know everything because I don't, at all. But you make wild claims with nothing to back them up. Nics have a reputation simply because they're mostly WC or farmed.

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These "wild claims" are all from posts on a redtailboa forum. Nothing too wild there.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

Usually CB animals will be tamer, it's just how it goes. You say hog's are as docile as Colombians? not true, where'd you pull that one from.

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I dint say they were as docile, I said they were more aggressive. And if you read the quote.... it says NOTHING about imported Hoggs, just Hoggs in general. I have heard of cage aggression with Hoggs, just giving him a fair warning.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

The part from the book that you seem to not notice is he's talking about IMPORTS, you highlighted only the parts that suited your arguments, and glossed over what didn't suit you, which was the import parts.

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It said Colombians generally were the most tame.... theres nothing you can argue about that. Thats all my point was... generally

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

My point was your generalizations suck.

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No, but what if this guy ends up getting an aggressive Nic or Hogg just because he wanted a boa one-two feet smaller then a Colombian which, is said to be the most docile by majority of boa keepers. Then what are you going to say?

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

CB animals as a whole are calmer, even nics. You speak like nics are the devil, and like you've ever had any experience with them, and you have not.

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Never said I have, and never said they were the devil. Just warning that they tend to be more aggressive. I never stated it as a fact that he will get a poop slinging snappy snake. Although I guess thats what you think

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

Currently I have 7 nics, 5 FARMED IMPORTED bluefields and 2 CB normal nics. I think I have a whole lot more experience than you do on this particular subject, so how bout we just leave it at that. You make biased generalizations, and you're afraid of nics because you don't deal with them and I have 7.

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I guess you do have more experience... like I said, not all are aggressive, and I don't think I can pound it in your head, you seem to think I keep stating it as a fact.

The perfect example is crime rates. African Americans tend to have a higher rate of committing a crime then compared to a white person. That doesn't mean they always will, and if a mom has 10 African American children, all of them can all live their whole live without going to jail. That doesn't change the fact that they still have a higher crime rate on average compared to a white person.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

You shouldn't discredit a person's question, because you have an irrational fear of the snake in question, that's just ridiculous.

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Are you just spewing crap out of your mouth? I don't even know how to answer that....

I posted the same exact question pretty much as him on boa forum, and I'm passing the info on that I got from people who know what they're talking about

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

BTW, I'm on this forum most because it's the most active, I post elsewhere as well, so nice one.

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Thats great, just saying everyone over there knows what they are talking about, and you have to chime in cause your in a pissy mood every time I share information I was given from people who know what they are talking about. Wanna dispute it with Erin? All I did was change his words.

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Originally Posted by whyteboi

All I did was change his words.

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well that wouldn't be a quote now would it?


and what are these imported hogs you speak of?

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

well that wouldn't be a quote now would it?

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Right, all I did was try to remember what he said because I didn't wanna copy and paste what he had said, but I guess I did anyway. So I guess just to prevent you from saying I am just spewing lies out of mouth every time I try and help someone, I will copy and paste stuff.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

and what are these imported hogs you speak of?

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I don't know what your talking about...but..... If your talking about the cage aggression Hoggs, I was given the same symptoms of snakes biting at the cage when the owners would walk by, but when taken out, were angels.

If thats not what you were talking about, then ignore that.

well, my point was that hog's aren't imported anymore, and there is doubt that they occur in the wild at all, and if they do whether they can sustain a healthy population. I was discrediting your argument, because you made a false statement about importation, that was all.

Cage aggression can happen anywhere. I think this thread is terribly amusing, but you need to realize that an aggressive animal can be found in any population. I feel from my narrow experiences that nics have an undeserved reputation, but the fact that you say they're horrible really pisses me off, because you have never dealt with them. So to reiterate what I just said, some of any animal (or creature for that matter) can be vicious. Hell, if I were dragged from the wild and put in a cage, I'd bite everyone too.

But even the newer trio of bluefields I bought, the guy told me they were terribly mean. I think he's kind of a sissy, because I have only been bitten once, and that was taking them out of the bag.

Although it doesn't help you to tell someone that they don't know what they're talking about, when all the experience you've had with the thing in question is from a book. I have read about many species, and I could tell you how to keep them in captivity, but I wouldn't dare say that I knew what their personality as a species is. I find that to be closed minded and ridiculous, I would rather have first hand experience before commenting on something that is more abstract such as personalities.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

well, my point was that hog's aren't imported anymore, and there is doubt that they occur in the wild at all, and if they do whether they can sustain a healthy population. I was discrediting your argument, because you made a false statement about importation, that was all.

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Thats why I said I dont know what your talking about... I dont remember mentioning wild or imported Hogg's. The ones with Cage agg were CBB or CH I am pretty sure.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

Cage aggression can happen anywhere. I think this thread is terribly amusing, but you need to realize that an aggressive animal can be found in any population. I feel from my narrow experiences that nics have an undeserved reputation, but the fact that you say they're horrible really pisses me off, because you have never dealt with them.

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Never said they were horrible.... you just keep putting words in my mouth, and its really annoying, just like you thought I said all nics are devils, which I definitely did not.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

So to reiterate what I just said, some of any animal (or creature for that matter) can be vicious. Hell, if I were dragged from the wild and put in a cage, I'd bite everyone too.

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I guess thats true.... but some animals will always have a bad disposition.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

Although it doesn't help you to tell someone that they don't know what they're talking about, when all the experience you've had with the thing in question is from a book.

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But I am assuming the person who wrote this book has more experience then you.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

I have read about many species, and I could tell you how to keep them in captivity, but I wouldn't dare say that I knew what their personality as a species is. I find that to be closed minded and ridiculous, I would rather have first hand experience before commenting on something that is more abstract such as personalities.

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Ok, all I did was copy and paste first hand experience from other people, I don't see what the difference is?

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Originally Posted by whyteboi

Ok, all I did was copy and paste first hand experience from other people, I don't see what the difference is?

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Maybe that's what his problem with it is. You're copying and posting other people's experience as your own, when he has actually irl experience that says otherwise.

In other news, qik your signature is quickly turning me into a paranoid schizophrenic.

When I copy and paste.... I am using quotes to show it. So I am def not taking credit for their experience.