Re: just born...2 headed California Kingsnake
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Originally Posted by Boa/Kingsnake Fan
Also what makes this great is that you still have the same breeding pair of california Kingsnakes. I bet you cant wait until next season and see what
happens next time around. LOL. :rockon:
That's a horrible idea. Why would you breed animals with a very low probability of survival? Inbreeding deformities because they are unusual is an awful proposal.
Re: just born...2 headed California Kingsnake
ok but what is the chance of producing a 2 heading snake? now what is it of producing 2 in the same clutch? these parents share the gene to make a two headed baby which is the rarest thing in the world. why not try again? we have people crossbreeding balls and other breeds of snakes into others so why not try to produce a 2 headed snake that lives? even though most dont live with in an hour of hatching, from a scientist point of view this is a one in a life time chance
Re: just born...2 headed California Kingsnake
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Originally Posted by slartibartfast
That's a horrible idea. Why would you breed animals with a very low probability of survival? Inbreeding deformities because they are unusual is an awful proposal.
I think he was joking.
Deffanatly REALLY weird, but intresting.
Re: just born...2 headed California Kingsnake
Because there is a huge difference between producing healthy animals with a range of pretty colours, and intentionally breeding for a deformity that is nearly always fatal.
Re: just born...2 headed California Kingsnake
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Originally Posted by slartibartfast
That's a horrible idea. Why would you breed animals with a very low probability of survival? Inbreeding deformities because they are unusual is an awful proposal.
I believe that you are trying to say that it's a horrible idea to breed two of the offspring together, whereas he is trying to say that he can't wait to see what the same pair throw next year. At this point, I don't know if I will breed this same pair together, although it's a shame, since the other 6 were STUNNING Banded cali kings like the mother.
Re: just born...2 headed California Kingsnake
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Originally Posted by _BoidFinatic_
I believe that you are trying to say that it's a horrible idea to breed two of the offspring together, whereas he is trying to say that he can't wait to see what the same pair throw next year. At this point, I don't know if I will breed this same pair together, although it's a shame, since the other 6 were STUNNING Banded cali kings like the mother.
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Originally Posted by NickMyers03
ok but what is the chance of producing a 2 heading snake? now what is it of producing 2 in the same clutch? these parents share the gene to make a two headed baby which is the rarest thing in the world. why not try again? we have people crossbreeding balls and other breeds of snakes into others so why not try to produce a 2 headed snake that lives?
He is saying that he thinks this pair should be crossed again with the intention of producing more deformities. I don't think it gets much clearer than that, or that there can be any worse reasons to breed.
Re: just born...2 headed California Kingsnake
yes i was stating that the parents should be bred again not the babies that were produced. but again im looking at this from a scientific point of view. what if these genes could help humans in some way with deformities? this is the reason. this is a naturally occuring event, why not let it happen? it is rare for them to live but look at birthing records for any breeder. just this year RDR bred a pair of DH together in which only one made it and the rest died in the egg but went full term just like the 2 headed king. so whats saying next year if one is produced again that it wont live?
Re: just born...2 headed California Kingsnake
In studies done on Natrix natrix, dicephalism was found to be caused by improper incubation temperatures, and likely was not an inheritable trait. More work needs to be to verify this hypothesis, but there has been no account of dicephalic snakes having dicephalic offspring.
What did you use for incubation? What was the temp. range? If you breed your pair next year, and incubate at a steady 80-82, I would highly doubt you would hatch anything but normal healthy babies.
-Evan
Re: just born...2 headed California Kingsnake
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Originally Posted by Evan Jamison
In studies done on Natrix natrix, dicephalism was found to be caused by improper incubation temperatures, and likely was not an inheritable trait. More work needs to be to verify this hypothesis, but there has been no account of dicephalic snakes having dicephalic offspring.
What did you use for incubation? What was the temp. range? If you breed your pair next year, and incubate at a steady 80-82, I would highly doubt you would hatch anything but normal healthy babies.
-Evan
Homemade incubator. Temperature was always between 79-83 degrees, even though the permissable range is 70-85 degrees.
Re: just born...2 headed California Kingsnake
That is very sad to see, but also very interesting. They have lived in the wild....... but maybe something is wrong with lungs which is why they cant make it out of egg. I remember seeing snakes have one lung stretched a good potion of their body, so maybe its split between their heads?
Just a very bad guess ;\
