Rat mites

Having been taught by the people who make Frontline (Merial) they have performed very large trials based on safety and ingestion. Dogs can ingest over 30 vials of Frontline and be absolutely fine. I don't remember the exact trial or the numbers involved, but I do know that the side effects, if any, were minimal and generally only caused upset stomach and maybe diarrhea. Try that with your locally available Bio-Spot junk or any of the Hartz products(pyrethrin/permethrin based). Yay seizures ;)

Doesn't oral Ivermectin treat rat mites too?

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Originally Posted by SatanicIntention

Having been taught by the people who make Frontline (Merial) they have performed very large trials based on safety and ingestion. Dogs can ingest over 30 vials of Frontline and be absolutely fine. I don't remember the exact trial or the numbers involved, but I do know that the side effects, if any, were minimal and generally only caused upset stomach and maybe diarrhea. Try that with your locally available Bio-Spot junk or any of the Hartz products(pyrethrin/permethrin based). Yay seizures ;)

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I think Bob was pretty clear that when he researched and tested with other, cheaper and more common Permethrins that he saw problems. I am only talking about the formula used in PAM.

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Originally Posted by Laooda

Doesn't oral Ivermectin treat rat mites too?

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Not particularly feasible in a large rat colony though.

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Originally Posted by SatanicIntention

Try that with your locally available Bio-Spot junk or any of the Hartz products(pyrethrin/permethrin based). Yay seizures ;)

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Bio-Spot almost killed one of my dogs.... :mad: Sorry for the hijack!

I had a rat give me lice... not fun at all. be careful.

Yep Laura, I can't stand Bio-Spot or any of the other supermarket-available flea products/collars. They don't work and usually cause alot of damage. People like to use those dog products on cats and wonder why their cat is foaming and seizuring on the floor...

Jamie I think you misread my post. I was responding to Jackal's post when he said it's not safe to be ingested, when in truth, it is.

Sometimes Ivermectin can work, but my vet has told me that the mites are getting more and more resistant to it(as I found out with one of my rats). I treated one female for 3 weeks straight, once daily dosing, cage cleaned more than once a week and she STILL had lice at the end. Went and borrowed the bottle of Frontline spray and after one application, the lice and nits were gone.

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Try that with your locally available Bio-Spot junk or any of the Hartz products(pyrethrin/permethrin based)

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Yep...all these (and most commom cheaper dog/cat formulas) contain methoprene which is an insect growth regulator and has been tied to seizures, death and other nasty issues with mammals.

Stay away from the adders...as Bob (from Jamie's post) pointed out he tested several formulas with this (the most common one) adder and found they have issues. These issues are document for small animals and sick animals (I think they are still on the market cause it seems large health dogs/cats can deal with the poison) Personally I wouldn't use any.

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Originally Posted by SatanicIntention

Jamie I think you misread my post. I was responding to Jackal's post when he said it's not safe to be ingested, when in truth, it is.

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And you mis-read my post...I was referring to your snake ingesting treated rats with the active ingredient in Frontline. There is a huge difference between your dog ingesting some and a 50gram rat.

Here is the study by the way:
Mohamed F, Senarathna L, Percy A, Abeyewardene M, Eaglesham G, Cheng R, Azher S, Hittarage A, Dissanayake W, Sheriff MH, Davies W, Buckley NA, Eddleston M., Acute human self-poisoning with the N-phenylpyrazole insecticide fipronil--a GABAA-gated chloride channel blocker, J Toxicol Clin Toxicol. 2004;42(7):955-63)

http://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.h...2-00b0d0204ae5

That is the link to the "flying insect kit" that I use in my garage/rat room.
I had a mite problem from one bag of petco aspen...Since I started using this spray (every 15 min) I have no mites or actually insects in general in there....