some genetics questions

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Why beat you if you have the time to do it that way I'd say rock on with it.

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:D maybe I just like spankings.. er beatings. LOL

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

I mean think or all the pieds and albinos and het you'll end up with when its all done. Good way to get a head start on a lot of projects.

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yeah I was thinking that too... and all the possibiites!!

okay, now to bump this thread into action again. what would result in breeding together two 50% poss. het pieds? 1/16 chance of having a 100% het pied offspring out of 4 (basing on a 4 egg clutch)? Although I know breeding that together would take longer than breeding 100% het pieds together to produce a pied. ::sigh:: wonder if I'll ever get the bp I want.

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Originally Posted by Ladydragon

okay, now to bump this thread into action again. what would result in breeding together two 50% poss. het pieds? 1/16 chance of having a 100% het pied offspring out of 4 (basing on a 4 egg clutch)? Although I know breeding that together would take longer than breeding 100% het pieds together to produce a pied. ::sigh:: wonder if I'll ever get the bp I want.

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If I'm readin you right I think you got it.....

You'd have a 1/4 chance of gettting a pied out of proven het x proven het breeding pair.

Since you have only have 50% for each of your animals being a het that would be (1/2)x(1/2)x(1/4)=1/16. That's somewhat contingent only buying possible hets from a reputable, stand-up breeder. ;)

Wouldn't it be better to breed a 100% het to a 50%? Because from the two 50%, one may be het and the other not, in which case you'd have another batch of 50% hets but have no way of knowing, or (if you're really lucky) both are hets and you get a visual pied and 66% hets--worst case scenario you have two normals and all normal babies, but as with the problem of just one being het, you have no idea whether one of the parents is het or not.

Personally if it were a matter of budget, I'd get a male 100% het and a couple female 50% hets and hope one of them proves out. That way there's not quite as much guesswork involved, and if you're unlucky--well, at least you'd have a clutch or two of 50% hets to hold back and breed to dad later; odds are one of THEM will be het!

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

If I'm readin you right I think you got it.....

You'd have a 1/4 chance of gettting a pied out of proven het x proven het breeding pair.

Since you have only have 50% for each of your animals being a het that would be (1/2)x(1/2)x(1/4)=1/16. That's somewhat contingent only buying possible hets from a reputable, stand-up breeder. ;)

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yep thats what I thought too.. I'm learning slowly :D

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Originally Posted by Seneschal

Wouldn't it be better to breed a 100% het to a 50%? Because from the two 50%, one may be het and the other not, in which case you'd have another batch of 50% hets but have no way of knowing, or (if you're really lucky) both are hets and you get a visual pied and 66% hets--worst case scenario you have two normals and all normal babies, but as with the problem of just one being het, you have no idea whether one of the parents is het or not.

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hence why I asked as to what the chances are. I know that reducing the percentage of het per animal reduces the chance of achieving my ultimate goal of getting a pied. But sometimes it helps to get feed back from others to fully cement an idea or stop it dead in its tracks. :D

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Originally Posted by Seneschal

Personally if it were a matter of budget, I'd get a male 100% het and a couple female 50% hets and hope one of them proves out. That way there's not quite as much guesswork involved, and if you're unlucky--well, at least you'd have a clutch or two of 50% hets to hold back and breed to dad later; odds are one of THEM will be het!

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now this is a possibility I hadn't thought of to which I say thank you. I was aiming on getting two 100% het pied, just trying to figure it out budget wise (payment plans are an option). this may take a bit longer, but could possibly result in the same end result of getting a pied.. whoo hoo! :carrot:

:D Glad to help! But I wanna see pics of whatever you get, and of the eventual eggs! I know het pied females are expensive, but the males aren't that bad, and 50%-66% het females are MUCH more affordable, so 2-3 of those will definitely up your chances for a pied. And if you happen to make more than one pied, you'll be really, really lucky and will have the basis for a good breeding program! Good luck with whatever you decide to get, and I hope you get that pied!

thanx I hope so too... ever since I saw them years back. I have always wanted one.. but the price kept them out of my reach.. but now other options are available and well.. you see where I'm going with this :D and of course pics are a MUST!!! Now Im just anticipating making payment arrangements or something to get this started.

I know what you mean, piebalds are gorgeous! Unfortunately I can't afford one either, lol, and since I'm still living at home, I can't buy that many snakes for a breeding program just yet; my dad's response to hearing that I'm going to breed the pastel I'm buying next month when it's large enough was, "the thought of walking into my daughter's room and seeing two snakes making out is just wrong!" I doubt he'd go for a whole het pied breeding thing. :P


I'm so excited for you!!! I hope you get some great snakes from a good breeder! Here's to hoping any possible hets you get prove out!

lol.. not sure if hubby is keen on the idea either, but he'll give in or put up with it just to make me happy. At least your dad lets you have snakes. My mom was like, eww why do you want a snake? they are so impersonal, you cant cuddle with them. heh. little does she know. lol

That's good, then! I dunnow, for me, between a BP breeding project and a guy...the snakes win out every time. MUCH more cuddly and cute! (Less smelly, too!) :P Really? That's funny, snakes are adorable and quite cuddle-able...Between my mom and dad, it's my dad who doesn't really like snakes (nevermind that he was the one who said I could get one as long as my mom took me to get it, thinking she hated snakes--imagine his surprise when we came home two days later with my little girl!) and my mom loves Matika.

Has your mom ever warmed up to snakes...?