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Originally Posted by beachvibesbyeff

Well, see, IMO, that's even worse. A hatched baby from Africa imported to live in captivity, particularly in a 10 gallon terranium...not right. Especially if they are hatched in Africa, they deserve the wild. At least with CBB, they never experienced nature, and were breed specifically to be raised domestically, as a pet.

Also, as a side question...if I go with the U.T.H. do I still need a basking lamp or will the heater be enough?

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Ay yi, yi!!! A CH baby also NEVER experienced nature and was meant to be raised domestically as a pet.

How do you think ANY ball pythons were first brought to the States? As CH babies. How do you think we get morphs? From Africa, they have to be proved out here. You have some very strong opinions against CH, but I'm not understanding why that is.

As far as your question - depends on your room temps. If they aren't too cool, a UTH should be enough.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Ay yi, yi!!! A CH baby also NEVER experienced nature and was meant to be raised domestically as a pet.

How do you think ANY ball pythons were first brought to the States? As CH babies. How do you think we get morphs? From Africa, they have to be proved out here. You have some very strong opinions against CH, but I'm not understanding why that is.

As far as your question - depends on your room temps. If they aren't too cool, a UTH should be enough.

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Okay, same thing. Maybe the individual baby never experienced nature, but it wasn't meant, or intended, to be raised domestically. The babies weren't bred domestically, thus were intended not to be pets, but to live in the wild.

Here's another way to put it - if babies were not imported each year from Africa, you'd be paying 3 to 4 times the amount that you pay today for a normal ball python.

Ball pythons, whether Captive hatched or captive bred are STILL wild animals - so with your argument, even captive bred should never be kept as pets - as they are not truly domesticated (domestication takes HUNDREDS of years, not 10 or 20).

I still don't see why it's wrong to import ball pythons from Africa, hatched IN CAPTIVITY, when ball pythons are now being seen as pests in some areas of Africa, because they are so abundant. Those not shipped here for the pet trade are simply shipped to Asia to be slaughtered for food and their skin. Which would you prefer for these captive hatched babies? A chance to be an adored pet in the States, or dinner in Asia?

They're leaving Africa one way or another.

They were bred because that is the natural instinct of animals. They didn't breed because they wanted a family.

Yes, they were meant to live in the wild so they could get eaten by birds, and other predators, and also the local human population. They can live in the wild where they will get internal and external parasites, scars, etc. That sounds like a great life!

I'm going to go hug(or try to, LOL) all of my captive hatched babies. They are the ones that help bring diversity and help strengthen the genetic pool.

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Originally Posted by SatanicIntention

I'm going to go hug(or try to, LOL) all of my captive hatched babies. They are the ones that help bring diversity and help strengthen the genetic pool.

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Make sure to hug that 'ol ugly, unhappy CH boy Sullivan for me! He's so spoiled he wouldn't make it one day in the wild! :D

No he probably wouldn't! He'd wonder where his newspaper went! Or his plastic pot saucers! He couldn't hide properly anymore! OMG! Poor, spoiled rotten slithery thing ;) You know he's so abused here..

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Originally Posted by beachvibesbyeff

Okay, same thing. Maybe the individual baby never experienced nature, but it wasn't meant, or intended, to be raised domestically. The babies weren't bred domestically, thus were intended not to be pets, but to live in the wild.

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I don't understand how intent becomes an issue... What if those eggs were intended to be eaten by a predator. Who you still rather not interfere? If you were against the keeping of reptiles period, I could understand your point. But I don't get the feelings towards CH alone.

So when is the next PETA meeting? lol...

I'll keep my CH Ball Pythons....I'm a theif I guess.

Oh.... and I shouldn't have had that dog I had years ago... it was a domestic Captive Born...but its ancestry was probably from wild dogs....

...and I suppose I shouldn't keep any fish either, most of which are F1 of wild caught parent fish... they probably don't appreciate being kept in a glass box void of predation and lots of food.

Those poor miserable creatures...I really should set them free.:8:

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Originally Posted by beachvibesbyeff

Okay, same thing. Maybe the individual baby never experienced nature, but it wasn't meant, or intended, to be raised domestically. The babies weren't bred domestically, thus were intended not to be pets, but to live in the wild.

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Meant or intended by who? Nature? If that's the case, you were never meant to live in a house with electricity. Back to the savannah with you!

I am so totally kidding, y'all better laugh! :D