Lesser/Butter

Ok, I didn't think they were the same, but it confused me b/c he's a really big and pretty well known breeder. I'm looking into getting one or the other and the whole mix-up thing was weird!! :P

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Originally Posted by tweets_4611

Ok, now I'm really confused as well :P I was thinking that butters and platinums were different. From what I understand, Platty Daddy started it all, and not too long ago they were able to produce actual platinums again. I hadn't heard anything about Butters during all of it.

On Bob Clark's site, it's showing Butters and Platinums as the same thing??
http://www.bobclark.com/d_learn.asp?id=130&cat=learn

It seems this thread is headed towards them being different snakes, which is the impression I got....I'm confused.... :P

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Bob is wrong...(i remember no one was happy when Mike W put that comment into the reptiles mag a while back)

Platinums started the lessers, Ralph brought in a Platinum from africa. He breed it to a normal and got Lessers... Heres a little genetic info:
1. Lesser x Lesser = Lessers and Blue eyed Lucy
2. Lesser x Normal Sibling = Lessers and Platinums (no one knows why yet)


Mark and Kim Bell had the first line of Butters, Ralph also brought in a Butter. Ralph produced a Butter "Platinum" from his line of Butter. (im pretty sure but not positive, He breed his Butter to a Normal Sibling and produced the Butter "Platinum" same way as with the lesser)

Butters are not Lessers (or platinums) and Lessers are not Butters ( or platinums) They both seem to do the same thing ... (similar to the Cinnamon Pastel and the Black Pastel) Now all we need to do is see if there is a Mojave "Platinum" and we can really bring on the confusion!

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Originally Posted by NextWorldExotics

Heres a little genetic info:

2. Lesser x Normal Sibling = Lessers and Platinums (no one knows why yet)

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That's only for platinums right? you wont get platinums if you breed a lesser to a normal then breed the siblings you still won't get the platinum. right?

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

That's only for platinums right? you wont get platinums if you breed a lesser to a normal then breed the siblings you still won't get the platinum. right?

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No one has gotten a Platinum from breeding 2 Normal Siblings...

oh no, I meant a lesser x normal then cross the lesser with a normal sib, its just the normal sibs from platinum breeding that have the hidden genes

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

oh no, I meant a lesser x normal then cross the lesser with a normal sib, its just the normal sibs from platinum breeding that have the hidden genes

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oh lol.
As far as i know it has only been done with normal sibs from the Platinum ( i think it may have been done with first generation lessers too, but im not positive... i can find out though)

Isn't it true butters get yellower as they get older and lessers don't. I'm kinda leaning toward the butter because of that.

So confusing...so in a nutshell Butter/Lesser/Platinum are all different snakes.
Lesser x Normal Sibling = Platinum
Lesser x Lesser = Blue Eyed Lucy
Lesser x Platinum =
Lesser x Butter =
Platinum x Platinum =
Platinum x Butter =
Butter x Butter =

Anyone is welcome to fill in all known blanks

Are the butters any more common than the lessers? I just found out about both of them fairly recently (and absoultly fell in LOVE haha) and I'm still trying to find out more about them. I've seen lessers on some of the breeders pages, but I don't know that I have seen anyone with butters...

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Originally Posted by NextWorldExotics

oh lol.
As far as i know it has only been done with normal sibs from the Platinum ( i think it may have been done with first generation lessers too, but im not positive... i can find out though)

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thanks, that would be interesting to know, because it would make sense if it was only platinum sibs that show the hidden gene, but would be real interesting if the lesser sibs showed it too. but then again that would throw a real wrench in it because then if that is the case that would raise the question why are lessers not platinums...