Put an end to cruel animal fighting!

Of course it'll continue to happen, but at least it will be illegal! It's still a misdemeanor in some states and in others its only illegal to have dogs in the fight, not to watch etc. I don't understand why LE doesn't pursue dog fighting and the like more... it's a lot easier to spot 15 game dogs on a lot than to just know there's 15 keys of powder in the house... there is often a lot of drugs guns money contraband and people with warrants and gang affiliations at these events... why on earth wouldn't they investigate?

The argument that fighting :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r: is somehow equal to what the meat production places do with them holds no weight for me... they're both wrong! I do try to buy cage free/free range when I have the chance, but like many others I do go to fast food places, so you're right, I do eat tortured souls most likely... even if I stopped it it wouldn't stop the unhumane conditions!

Phreak, you'll not regret getting a pit bull when you can (make sure you've moved away or the law has changed!) My dogs mean the world to me and I to them! They're just amazing dogs!

Once they're banned or heavily restricted too much, the thugs will move on to another breed... hopefully not the cane corso, presa canario, or the other big gladiator dogs, but most likely them and a mix of them and pits, IMO

Unfortunately I'm off work for the moment and will have to get back to this fascinating subject a little later on...

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Originally Posted by gibbrishclown

Update: the House passed the Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act overwhelmingly, 368 to 39!

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I just wanna know what 39 brain dead people would be against this?

I have two pit bulls. I am supporting this with all of my heart. I know how most people feel about them, but believe me, you don't truly know them if you believe that they are mean, evil dogs.
My boys are both sweet, loving, gentle, and very accepting. We recently adopted a litter of feral kittens, and the gentle, careful actions of my boys around those tiny babies was amazing. The kits were only 5 week old little balls of fluff, and the boys were complete gentlemen. They allowed the kits to do anything. Alex (the bigger pit bull) even allowed Shari ( the runt of the litter) to sharpen her claws on him before I stopped her. All he did was wimper.
Even if I hadn't already known how wonderful my boys were this would have shown me. They both take gentle care of their kitties, they wash them, they even stood behind them while they were eating so my two older cats wouldn't get their kitten food.
Please don't listen to the media hype, and support this bill.

I can't see how anyone could say that chicken-fighting is not hugely inhumane.
If you have issue with how chickens are kept in battery pens, then deal with that. But to say that they should ignore chicken-fighting to concentrate on something totally unrelated like the Iraq war is weird.
chicken-fighting is inhumane, and barbaric. Dog fighting is inhumane and barbaric. Hog-dogging is inhumane and barbaric.
Since the thread was posted about a measure fighting this, I don't see how making a polictical comment about Iraq helps.
Battery pens ARE inhumane, but so is chicken-fighting. Saying you shouldn't object to one if you aren't fighting the other is ridiculous. There are other bills and all that can be put through with regards to battery pens of poultry. Fight the inhumane treatment of animals on every level.
Just because it's "part of the culture" doesn't mean it's right or that it should be allowed. Beating your kids, or working them 20 hours a day used to be part of the culture too. So was working wagon-horses until they literally dropped dead in the street, and that was finally made illegil too.
Don't get so focused on one problem, that you see no others, and think if everyone else isn't concentrating on that one, that they are not also doing good.
I have clients that gripe about humane enforcement because "There are kids being abused". Just bc one wrong exists, doesn't mean another (perhaps lesser) wrong should be allowed to continue.
Wolfy

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

I can't see how anyone could say that chicken-fighting is not hugely inhumane.
If you have issue with how chickens are kept in battery pens, then deal with that. But to say that they should ignore chicken-fighting to concentrate on something totally unrelated like the Iraq war is weird.
chicken-fighting is inhumane, and barbaric. Dog fighting is inhumane and barbaric. Hog-dogging is inhumane and barbaric.
Since the thread was posted about a measure fighting this, I don't see how making a polictical comment about Iraq helps.
Battery pens ARE inhumane, but so is chicken-fighting. Saying you shouldn't object to one if you aren't fighting the other is ridiculous. There are other bills and all that can be put through with regards to battery pens of poultry. Fight the inhumane treatment of animals on every level.
Just because it's "part of the culture" doesn't mean it's right or that it should be allowed. Beating your kids, or working them 20 hours a day used to be part of the culture too. So was working wagon-horses until they literally dropped dead in the street, and that was finally made illegil too.
Don't get so focused on one problem, that you see no others, and think if everyone else isn't concentrating on that one, that they are not also doing good.
I have clients that gripe about humane enforcement because "There are kids being abused". Just bc one wrong exists, doesn't mean another (perhaps lesser) wrong should be allowed to continue.
Wolfy

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Agreed!!! :rockon:

daniel, just because both ways are horrible for the animal does that make either right? i fail to see your logic here, except for where you say how people are willing to make the distinction about food and entertainment and not caring about where food comes from.
I just watched that video and wanted to die, those poor creatures and how people treated them. how do you do that to an animal? i just don't understand
and wolfy, great post, thanks.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

But to say that they should ignore chicken-fighting to concentrate on something totally unrelated like the Iraq war is weird.

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How is that weird?

Like I said previously, chicken fighting is OUTLAWED in all but two states(actually I think Louisiana is the only one...the other state passed a law recently) in the country. So why does the federal government need to step in? Let the issue of cockfighting be a Louisiana government issue.....the rest of the country has already made it illegal. The federal government needs to focus on THIS COUNTRY as a whole and not a few chicken fights in Louisiana.

If we keep letting the federal government define 'inhumane' then where will it end? Some people think that the way YOU AND I keep our snakes is just as 'inhumane' as chickens being being put in pens....what should the federal government do about that?

Like I said before, I am against 'animal fighting'......I was just giving my personal observations on the topic.....

Not like it matters.....LMAO....the bill passed ;)

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

daniel, just because both ways are horrible for the animal does that make either right? i fail to see your logic here, except for where you say how people are willing to make the distinction about food and entertainment and not caring about where food comes from.

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I never said either are 'right'. I was stating that since I am not concerned where my food comes from.....I feel as if I have no right to promote the banning of a practice that is similar to one that I support financially.

I get sick of seeing people that will :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r: and moan about animal 'cruelty' but have contradictions with what they preach. Someone that will complain about chickens being mistreated for entertainment, yet will go home and eat a farmed chicken breast without a second thought. It is like a person preaching about banning dog fights, but does not care for their dog properly.
That was a point I was trying to hit....sorry for anything unclear.

I dislike the comparison of farming/slaughtering animals, vs. fighting them. I grew up in a hunting and fishing family and have many friends with small farms.., and though they are alway proud of the animals that they produce and hunted, killing and inflicting pain is neither glorified nor reveled in. In contrast, these thugs who fight animals, love to see the weaker one suffer; it is a mental illness in my opinion, akin to something that a future serial killer would exhibit.
I can definately agree though Dan, that I would never want to be an animal in today's factory farms. I am working now on only supporting smaller farms, and it is not that hard. Mark and I buy beef from our friends, whose cattle we see whenever we visit, and we know that they lead the best life possible in the situation (free access to an 80-acre pasture, barned in the bad weather.) Another friend of ours humanely farms hogs on a small scale, and i plan on buying a whole hog from them this year to freeze and use. Chicken is tougher.. not sure where we can get free-range or small-scale-farmed chicken around here; I am looking into it though. Eggs, we also get family-farm fresh, a dollar a dozen!
I despise supporting these huge factory farms, that put small, honest farm families out of business while hideously polluting our environment.. sorry if I went a little off-topic here.

Daniel, I really don't see where you are going with this. I find the animal production industry and animal fighting to be horrible in their own ways. I hate both and fully support this bill. I complain about the way animals are treated and I am making the switch over to vegetarianism, so I think I'm allowed to complain without being contradictory. I also think the country should worry about a few chicken fights in Luisiana. This country needs to fix itself first before we can truely help anyone else.

To go as far as to say it is cruel to keep our snakes, is kind of stupid. Only extreme PETA members would say that. We provide food, shelter, warmth, proper conditions, clean enviroment, ect. That is not cruel. It is the same as keeping a dog or a cat. As long as they are healthy, happy, getting vet care, not being abused or faught, that is not cruel.

Fighting dogs, chickens, ect. is cruel and any who participate in it need to be locked up, not just given a slap on the wrist and a fine. We lock people up for abusing people, but just because an animal 'has no feelings' the people who abuse them are not properly punished.

Thank goodness the bill passed. We really need to be cracking down on those who fight animals. A country can be judged on how it treats its animals.