Re: Wild vs. Captive: How will the numbers add up in the future?
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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict
Importers buy the Normal Imports to have the opportunity to buy the possible New Morph Imports...They also have to bring in more than just Balls...
Correct. But with the decline in current morph prices and the wide availability of 'types' of morphs, importation can only last so long in my opinion.
If it costs an importer $50,000 to bring in a new morph, but he has trouble selling the other animals in the 'package' due to increased captive production and availability....do you still think that importer will continue to import mass quantities of animals?
Re: Wild vs. Captive: How will the numbers add up in the future?
I guess I voted kind of wrong. I sadi that captive breeding will have no effect on importation. I guess it will have an effcet on importation, but I think it will have little effect on exportation. What I think most people fail to realize is how large the market is fro Ball Pythons, and how much money is generated by the poor countries on the Ivory Coast that export balls. There are laws in place that regulate how many ball pythons have to be released back into the wild. However, if the US is not importing the remainder, then the Asians will for the meat and the skins. It's kind of like the oil trade in the US. The US doesn't really want to stop producing oil or using oil because it would hurt the economy too much. Just my opinion, and sorry for the rambling.
Re: Wild vs. Captive: How will the numbers add up in the future?
I don't understand all of it, but I do agree with and appreciate Kevin M's premise about the ball lords and importation.
I think the more popular balls become, the greater the increase in importation and the exponentially increased danger to the numbers (i.e. faster future extinction/endangerment) of the wild population. It's even more disheartening to read and learn more about wild caught females (or any SNAKE) being used for food or killed in fear, when so many high numbers are continually taken out of the population and exported. :(
R.
Re: Wild vs. Captive: How will the numbers add up in the future?
I also voted for cbb having no effect on the importation of ball pythons. Its just cheaper and their much more available than cbb. There is one more thing I see though,with all the co-doms being breed now there is plenty of normal cbb's being produced, but what happens when breeders stop mass producing spiders, pastels, and mojaves? I don't think there are many breeders just producing normals.:2cent:
Re: Wild vs. Captive: How will the numbers add up in the future?
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Originally Posted by Emilio
I also voted for cbb having no effect on the importation of ball pythons. Its just cheaper and their much more available than cbb. There is one more thing I see though,with all the co-doms being breed now there is plenty of normal cbb's being produced, but what happens when breeders stop mass producing spiders, pastels, and mojaves? I don't think there are many breeders just producing normals.:2cent:
Not many big breeders but there are tons of small hobbyist breeders breeding normal just for fun and have no interest in getting into morphs. Also, just because they stop producing lots of those morphs you need to remember that until they stop using hets and breed only the supers and morph recessive forms of morphs, normals still pop out.
Re: Wild vs. Captive: How will the numbers add up in the future?
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Originally Posted by daniel1983
I was wondering what everyones' opinions on the current/future captive ball python production and its' effects on importation from the wild.
I dont agree with buying or importing captive bred Bps. If I would've known Chester was WC I wouldnt of never boughten him. Sad to say but truth. We cant hardly excpet if we suddenly say " Oh well Bps ar elow in numbers lets stop importing them" It takes time for people to stop and change what they are doing. We have enough blood of Bps in captivity. And besides more than half the Bps brought in from the wild die... when they could be living or trying to make a living in the wild..I am 110% against WC Bps and importing them from the wild into captivity.
Re: Wild vs. Captive: How will the numbers add up in the future?
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Originally Posted by KittyJ
And besides more than half the Bps brought in from the wild die... when they could be living or trying to make a living in the wild..I am 110% against WC Bps and importing them from the wild into captivity.
Where are you getting this info from?
Re: Wild vs. Captive: How will the numbers add up in the future?
i don't think as captive breeders we are no where close to be able to produce the amount that is being currently imported.
if balls gain in popularity and really go mainstream, watch out! we need more people into balls and the morphs to keep the gears rolling so to speak.
most people i know and herpers i know have no idea about all the ball morphs! i think there is a flavor for everyone.
i look forward to the day when you can find ball morphs in the stores!
vaughn
Re: Wild vs. Captive: How will the numbers add up in the future?
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Originally Posted by KittyJ
I dont agree with buying or importing captive bred Bps. If I would've known Chester was WC I wouldnt of never boughten him. Sad to say but truth. We cant hardly excpet if we suddenly say " Oh well Bps ar elow in numbers lets stop importing them" It takes time for people to stop and change what they are doing. We have enough blood of Bps in captivity. And besides more than half the Bps brought in from the wild die... when they could be living or trying to make a living in the wild..I am 110% against WC Bps and importing them from the wild into captivity.
I love my CH girls, every last one of them, and I will continue to add more CH babies that have unique looks that I like to my collection. There's a difference in WC and CH - both are imports. There are great distributors out there to support in the purchase of quality CH babies, such as Will Bird, Ben Siegel, Neil Golli, Michael Cole to name just a few.
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I am against importation as well. However...I can't judge those of you who buy CH (which is still removing snakes from the wild population) because I'm guilty of buying CB morphs which also supports the importation of "new blood" from Africa. Most major breeders import, whether to find the 'next big thing' or diversify bloodlines, and buying from them supports this practice. When I realized how easy it was to find a CB ball, I assumed that importation was rare. I was wrong. Pet stores still import, and those are wild-type snakes. So I don't see importation slowing down anytime soon. I can only hope importing WC is replaced by CH as these snakes seem to have better odds of living and thriving.
