Who should be punished?

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Originally Posted by stangs13

Same way with my Blue heeler and Border collie, I trained the Border collie bieng that he is my dog. He can sit and lay down and do alot of things, bieng as smart as most 4 year olds he can do many many fun tricks, he knows sick'em for an intruder or my little brother.:D Another good thing s to spay and neuter your dog, they wont get out insearch of a mate and wont be as agressive.


It all comes down to training your dog in a good way.

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I can make a Taco Bell dog(cant spell its name lol) tear someone apart in seconds.I bet you can not guess what the number 1 dog is on the list of people getting bit by dogs.Its the BLACK LAB! On this list pit bulls are like 20 something.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

I can make a Taco Bell dog(cant spell its name lol) tear someone apart in seconds.I bet you can not guess what the number 1 dog is on the list of people getting bit by dogs.Its the BLACK LAB! On this list pit bulls are like 20 something.

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I bet you I did.;) You and me both bro. My dad was a dog handler for the MP, he taught me alot and even helped me get my dog fistey during situations that are called for him to act.:carrot: Yay for dogs that are trained the right way to attack!

I have always found it funny that you have to get a license to own dogs and cats as such but no one needs a licences to have kids and we wonder why we have shuch problems if you do half of what you can to your kids they can and will take you in for animal cuerlty. I'm a firm believer in its the stupid owners and breeders fault punish them.

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

Unfortunately for you, philosophy of law places a value on human life greater than what you express here. I'm not sure if your beliefs are reflected literally by that statement, but reflects on your character nonetheless.

There wasn't an option for "no banning/government regulation," so I couldn't vote.

I believe that education and public awareness works much better than regulation. If people are made aware of and understand certain issues about exotics or breeds of dogs, instances like those discussed above will decline.

In the end though, there's always going to be ignorant people out there who wouldn't know how to absorb good information if it hit them in the face. Those ignorant people, like it or not, banned or not banned, are going to aquire pit bulls and exotics.

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Brad,sorry i left that choice out.I dont personaly feel a dog or a snake life is worth more then a human life.I am just tired of hearing that pit bulls are born to kill or all large snakes are killers also.When ever something happens (dog attack) the media allways jumps and writes the dog was a pit bull,majority of the attacks the dog does not even have pit blood or even look like a pit.The large constrictors that hurt or kill someone were not properly housed(bricks on lid or such) or they are not properly fed and escape to look for food.I agree if the general public was aware of the truth(pits and snakes) the world would be better.The problem is though majority of those people do not want to hear the truth about pits or snakes.They prefer to think they are correct and we are freaks who keep killer dogs and snakes.If you were to show them same people a picture of several dogs they could not pick out the pit bull.

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Originally Posted by Entropy

Since this is a family oriented board I can't really say what should be done to those owners but an interesting site for all to read is here.

http://www.workingpitbull.com/activities.htm

and for those who don't want to spend time browsing the following pages are good though I do warn that they aren't for the faint of heart.

http://www.workingpitbull.com/dogfighting.htm

http://www.workingpitbull.com/whydodogsbite.htm

http://www.workingpitbull.com/fatalbook.htm

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Brilliant links; thanks. I'm sitting here just bawling. We've cleaned up a few fighting dogs, but they're hard to rehab. The group we work with now refuses all pits and pit mixes ever since they had a bait dog (lovely sweet black and white girl; wanted to be in your lap all the time) abruptly attack and severely damage a privately owned dog as the two passed each other on lead in a corridor.
They are phenomenal animals; devoted, loyal, and courageous. I've had one with two broken legs drag himself across the floor so he could put his head in my lap and I've seen them arrive shredded from cars, fights or bullet wounds but still wagging their tails and trying to reach up and give kisses as we gurney them in.
I've received six bites from dogs so far...five from toy/companion dogs under 25lbs, and one from an ACD. I've met hundreds of pits, and exactly one of them was human-agressive. Compare that to the dozens of Chis, Min Pins, assorted small terriers, and those bloody Cocker Spaniels and Doxies who bite constantly but get away with it because people think it's cute or funny or harmless.
I'd rather work with a sick/injured pit than any other breed; they have infinite patience and forgiveness for the pain and indignities we must subject them to in the course of treatment.

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Originally Posted by slartibartfast

Brilliant links; thanks. I'm sitting here just bawling. We've cleaned up a few fighting dogs, but they're hard to rehab. The group we work with now refuses all pits and pit mixes ever since they had a bait dog (lovely sweet black and white girl; wanted to be in your lap all the time) abruptly attack and severely damage a privately owned dog as the two passed each other on lead in a corridor.
They are phenomenal animals; devoted, loyal, and courageous. I've had one with two broken legs drag himself across the floor so he could put his head in my lap and I've seen them arrive shredded from cars, fights or bullet wounds but still wagging their tails and trying to reach up and give kisses as we gurney them in.
I've received six bites from dogs so far...five from toy/companion dogs under 25lbs, and one from an ACD. I've met hundreds of pits, and exactly one of them was human-agressive. Compare that to the dozens of Chis, Min Pins, assorted small terriers, and those bloody Cocker Spaniels and Doxies who bite constantly but get away with it because people think it's cute or funny or harmless.
I'd rather work with a sick/injured pit than any other breed; they have infinite patience and forgiveness for the pain and indignities we must subject them to in the course of treatment.

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ACDs can put a woopin to ya! And them cockers...jeez, one of my friends had a cocker it got out and bit a kid, and she got put to sleep.

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Originally Posted by slartibartfast

Brilliant links; thanks. I'm sitting here just bawling. We've cleaned up a few fighting dogs, but they're hard to rehab. The group we work with now refuses all pits and pit mixes ever since they had a bait dog (lovely sweet black and white girl; wanted to be in your lap all the time) abruptly attack and severely damage a privately owned dog as the two passed each other on lead in a corridor.
They are phenomenal animals; devoted, loyal, and courageous. I've had one with two broken legs drag himself across the floor so he could put his head in my lap and I've seen them arrive shredded from cars, fights or bullet wounds but still wagging their tails and trying to reach up and give kisses as we gurney them in.
I've received six bites from dogs so far...five from toy/companion dogs under 25lbs, and one from an ACD. I've met hundreds of pits, and exactly one of them was human-agressive. Compare that to the dozens of Chis, Min Pins, assorted small terriers, and those bloody Cocker Spaniels and Doxies who bite constantly but get away with it because people think it's cute or funny or harmless.
I'd rather work with a sick/injured pit than any other breed; they have infinite patience and forgiveness for the pain and indignities we must subject them to in the course of treatment.

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Jess,my wifes uncle saved our staff/pit half sister from people who used her as the "bait" dog and until i met her i was afraid of the bred.Its sad what happened to her and until this day she has never made one single act towards being aggresive.Its sad that dog attacked the other dog.I also had my share of dealing with the ankle bitters and the owners who think its cute.I will always have a pit or a staff or a mix of the two as long as i am alive.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Jess,my wifes uncle saved our staff/pit half sister from people who used her as the "bait" dog and until i met her i was afraid of the bred.Its sad what happened to her and until this day she has never made one single act towards being aggresive.Its sad that dog attacked the other dog.I also had my share of dealing with the ankle bitters and the owners who think its cute.I will always have a pit or a staff or a mix of the two as long as i am alive.

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It can be hard to get ankle bitters out of habit. Exspesialy if they have bien on a farm with livestock for a long time. I have never had a problem with it, because my Border collie hasn't lived on a farm for very long, and my blue heeler was discoraged from heel biting at a young age.

there is good and bad in everything. some people/animals are simply born with a bad attitude. some say it's nature, other say it's nurture. i say it depends on the specific case.

should there be a ban?

i'm not into 'bans' - it throws the baby out with the bath water!

This is a great thread. It goes along the lines of people who say your ball pythons can kill you... Ignorance is bliss.
I see alot of ignorance when it comes to this breed of dog, Standing at my childrens school to pick them up a girl walks up with a beautiful pit mix, and a teacher walks up and informs her that since these dogs are so vicious they are not allowed on the property. Yet two women stood there one with a min pin the other with a chichuaua both barking and growling like crazy, they werent asked to take their dogs off the property. But the pit had never given a tug on her leash much less made a sound. I was truley disgusted.
We recently got a pit/english bulldog/lab mix. He is the sweetest dog. He plays with our children. When he goes outside there are dogs all around us that bark at him like crazy he does his buissness and comes right back in, he never barks back at them. He is about 1 year old and thinks he is still a puppy. When my family heard we got the dog all I heard was he's gonna attack the children how dumb are you and such. They never stop to take into account that these cases where attacks occur are 9 times out of 10 the owners abuse and neglect that caused these actions.
When we take him to our uncles house his Corgy does nothing but raise her lip and snap at him and try to herd him to where she wants him, takes toys and treats from him as well, he has never so much as growled at her. he just walks away like a lil one who had just been chatised by its mother.
Just my :2cent: worth on this matter..

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...3/100_0339.jpg


This is him about 2 weeks after we got him, he stole my resting spot when I was sick, while I was getting some lunch. He's a big momma's boy lol