Re: Kaplan to give speech on reptiles
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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
But Jas, you always say it soooo much better ... let er rip brother! :sweeet:
-adam
You want me gone from here that bad? LOL
Re: Kaplan to give speech on reptiles
Take a stroll over to Fauna and search her name - you'll find all sorts of interesting information about her "real" agenda!
Re: Kaplan to give speech on reptiles
What is Melissa Kaplan about? I haven't heard of her before this post. Basically a pseudo PETA member, except only for reptiles?
EDIT: Oh wait, I just did a google search and found out that she created anapsid.org. :P
Re: Kaplan to give speech on reptiles
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Originally Posted by JasonGranger
What is Melissa Kaplan about? I haven't heard of her before this post. Basically a pseudo PETA member, except only for reptiles?
Check out her site if you need info about her.
http://www.anapsid.org/
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If she does want an all out ban then I wouldn't like that. But I still agree that something should be done about irresponsible owners if what's already being done isn't working. It'd be hard to enforce some things and would probably cost too much money. I also don't like the idea of owning venomous reptiles as pets but that's another issue. The Cats and Dogs issue is a problem as well. There are so many of them that need to be adopted it's incredible. Everyone knows this. The only way to stop that is to force people to get their dogs/cats spayed and neutered. And possibly limit the breeding of dogs/cats. Though these are just ideas. As for the government officials that don't know the difference. They should be made to know the difference. If they don't know the difference they shouldn't be involved in any decisions. It is possible to only ban certain species or breeds as seen with pitbulls in many areas.
Of course all of us on these forums wouldn't want a ban because we all own reptiles and some of us breed them for profit. I don't know if you think I'm all for a ban on all reptiles or not. That isn't the case. Ultimately if there is a decision made about a ban on reptiles then it doesn't matter what we think because it looks like we are the minority when it comes to the number of people who hate reptiles vs the number of those who love them. There's already a ban on exotics in some places. Mostly in larger cities. I think it would be close to impossible to stop irresponsible ownership. Anyone have any ideas or opinions about what could be done? I already knew what all of your responses to this topic would generally be but I also want your opinions on why there shouldn't be a ban on dangerous animals such as large and/or venomous reptiles.
Back to the original topic. I previously thought that she was for reptile hobbyists but I guess I was wrong. She seems very knowledgable about reptiles but never read anything on her site about her agenda. Mostly read her articles about animal care. So I figured she was all about teaching people to care for reptiles as part of this hobby. It'd be interesting to hear what she has to say though.
Re: Kaplan to give speech on reptiles
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Originally Posted by WTHbbqSnake
If she does want an all out ban then I wouldn't like that. But I still agree that something should be done about irresponsible owners if what's already being done isn't working. It'd be hard to enforce some things and would probably cost too much money. I also don't like the idea of owning venomous reptiles as pets but that's another issue. The Cats and Dogs issue is a problem as well. There are so many of them that need to be adopted it's incredible. Everyone knows this. The only way to stop that is to force people to get their dogs/cats spayed and neutered. And possibly limit the breeding of dogs/cats. Though these are just ideas. As for the government officials that don't know the difference. They should be made to know the difference. If they don't know the difference they shouldn't be involved in any decisions. It is possible to only ban certain species or breeds as seen with pitbulls in many areas.
Of course all of us on these forums wouldn't want a ban because we all own reptiles and some of us breed them for profit. I don't know if you think I'm all for a ban on all reptiles or not. That isn't the case. Ultimately if there is a decision made about a ban on reptiles then it doesn't matter what we think because it looks like we are the minority when it comes to the number of people who hate reptiles vs the number of those who love them. There's already a ban on exotics in some places. Mostly in larger cities. I think it would be close to impossible to stop irresponsible ownership. Anyone have any ideas or opinions about what could be done? I already knew what all of your responses to this topic would generally be but I also want your opinions on why there shouldn't be a ban on dangerous animals such as large and/or venomous reptiles.
Back to the original topic. I previously thought that she was for reptile hobbyists but I guess I was wrong. She seems very knowledgable about reptiles but never read anything on her site about her agenda. Mostly read her articles about animal care. So I figured she was all about teaching people to care for reptiles as part of this hobby. It'd be interesting to hear what she has to say though.
The reason why there are certain bans on exotics is because NO ONE fought it! It DOES matter what WE think because we are TAX PAYERS! The bans do not happen in the BIG cities all the time,we have a decent sized town here in Illinois thats not far from myself that has a VERY stupid ban.The name of the town is Galesburg Illinois,because of some stupid LARGE constrictor owners mistake its now illegal to own ANY consticting snakes.This includes CORN SNAKES! Why did this ban go into affect? NO ONE FOUGHT IT! It does not matter if we keep OUR snakes for pets or profits,they are OUR reptiles! I thought we lived in the UNITED STATES of AMERICA! No one will EVER tell me what i can have or not have in MY home! Someone needs to inform that lady to get a life and stop trying to run OUR lives!
Re: Kaplan to give speech on reptiles
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Originally Posted by JASBALLS
You want me gone from here that bad? LOL
Jas we got your back :cool: .Just use family freindly sentences to get your point across :8: .
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Joepythons: I agree that is a stupid ban and I don't know why it wasn't fought. We may be taxpayers but we are still the minority. There are a whole lot of people that don't care if reptiles get banned or not. I don't know the rules on petitions or how many persons are needed to stop a ban. But if we can change some things then we should. If enough people fight something then bans can be stopped but increasingly there bans being placed on exotics all over the U.S. Some of us might be facing bans eventually. It's just a reality. I think they can tell you what you can or can't have because they do everyday. Thank god they havn't went too far yet.
But as you stated in your post people do make mistakes. That doesn't nessecarily mean they're stupid. All people make mistakes and unfortunately sometimes people die from certain mistakes. Here there has recently been a pitbull ban in the city. It happened because multiple people were getting killed by pitbulls. That's an instance where someone made a mistake and their dogs got loose and mauled several people. Even responsible owners can make a mistake. I'm one who thinks there will eventually be some sort of ban on exotics attempted where I live. Because when too many accidents happen in the same area they start to get noticed. There's no way to punish 90% of the irresponsible owners or the people who dump their animals because most are never caught. I think that's the reason they go for the all-out ban. That would eliminate any possiblity of irresponsible owners obtaining animals. I would like someone to respond to the questions in both posts though.
Re: Kaplan to give speech on reptiles
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Originally Posted by joepythons
Jas we got your back :cool: .Just use family freindly sentences to get your point across :8: .
Got his back. I thought this was a discussion not a fight. It seems like that everytime someone with a different opinion says something.
Re: Kaplan to give speech on reptiles
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Originally Posted by WTHbbqSnake
Joepythons: I agree that is a stupid ban and I don't know why it wasn't fought. We may be taxpayers but we are still the minority. There are a whole lot of people that don't care if reptiles get banned or not. I don't know the rules on petitions or how many persons are needed to stop a ban. But if we can change some things then we should. If enough people fight something then bans can be stopped but increasingly there bans being placed on exotics all over the U.S. Some of us might be facing bans eventually. It's just a reality. I think they can tell you what you can or can't have because they do everyday. Thank god they havn't went too far yet.
But as you stated in your post people do make mistakes. That doesn't nessecarily mean they're stupid. All people make mistakes and unfortunately sometimes people die from certain mistakes. Here there has recently been a pitbull ban in the city. It happened because multiple people were getting killed by pitbulls. That's an instance where someone made a mistake and their dogs got loose and mauled several people. Even responsible owners can make a mistake. I'm one who thinks there will eventually be some sort of ban on exotics attempted where I live. Because when too many accidents happen in the same area they start to get noticed. There's no way to punish 90% of the irresponsible owners or the people who dump their animals because most are never caught. I think that's the reason they go for the all-out ban. That would eliminate any possiblity of irresponsible owners obtaining animals. I would like someone to respond to the questions in both posts though.
Whenever someone gets hurt or killed by a large constrictor it is because of the OWNERS IGNORANCE not the snakes fault ever.This type of person is the ones who have the large snakes and scare the little old lady next door because she calls the cops on them during there large beer parties(this happenened in Pekin Illinois right down the road from me).Who is to blame the snake or the ignorant owner? You say responsible owners make mistakes also right? I have never EVER had a single incadent involving any of my snakes in my 9+yrs of keeping snakes.I had a 13ft+ retic and a 12+ft burmese pythons(1 albino and 2 norms) during these years.Why i do not have these snakes now you might wonder,well the retic was getting to much for me to handle(cancer surgeries and such) ,the albino burm passed away and the 2 norms i traded for other snakes.I made sure they went to responsible homes also not to STATUS symbol people who would mistreat them.Since you mention pit bulls i will comment on them also.There are 0 attacks from pit bulls that are raised in a responsible loving familys.I have a staff/pit male and a red nose female so i know both breeds well.The dogs that attack people and such are the ones that are starved to death and mistreated to the point they do not know anything else but to kill.The same goes here who should take the blame,the dog or the idiot owner? The answers to both are the OWNERS!
