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  • 11-23-2006, 11:39 PM
    wolfy-hound
    Re: Issues with Puppy Obedience Training
    Either outside, or on a treadmill.
    And the feet thing is a boxer thing. Its how they got the name. I think a lot of it might just be simply pent-up energy. Run her beside a bike, or on a treadmill. It is the worst time of life for one, with the huge energy, and goofy body control.
    It will just take a lot of work. It might be best to take her to a training class,a nd then do all the training exercises at home a lot too, WHILE giving her tons of exercise. Boxers need a lot.
    Wolfy
  • 11-23-2006, 11:40 PM
    tigerlily
    Re: Issues with Puppy Obedience Training
    My only suggestion would be to grab her and put her on her back. When she starts jumping or exhibiting behavior you would like to stop, then push her down and keep her on her back until she submits. Once she is calm, you can praise her and let her up. It's not hurtful, but can be difficult with bigger dogs. Of course, I can't rememeber where I go that though.

    I hope you can get her under control. There's nothing more frustrating than a dog that becomes destructive and/or aggressive. :hug:
  • 11-23-2006, 11:50 PM
    joyful girl
    Re: Issues with Puppy Obedience Training
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tigerlily
    My only suggestion would be to grab her and put her on her back. When she starts jumping or exhibiting behavior you would like to stop, then push her down and keep her on her back until she submits. Once she is calm, you can praise her and let her up. It's not hurtful, but can be difficult with bigger dogs. Of course, I can't rememeber where I go that though.

    I hope you can get her under control. There's nothing more frustrating than a dog that becomes destructive and/or aggressive. :hug:

    that is considered and Alpha roll and you should NEVER do that

    not only are you using unnessasary negative reinforment but you are sending mixed signals.

    What makes you think a dog is going to respond well to first being thrown on it's back then to be praised? All you will do is scare your dog into thinking you are going to hurt it.
  • 11-23-2006, 11:54 PM
    recycling goddess
    Re: Issues with Puppy Obedience Training
    jo,

    it sounds like she's attempting to be dominant. have you tried contacting a professional trainer? there are ones in my area who will come to your home... spend a couple of hours with you and your dog for $40.

    my girlfriend was having nightmare experiences with her little 9 month old pup and the trainer made a HUGE difference!

    and... it was so easy. once the dog was behaving for the trainer and my friend could see that... and was told how to achieve it herself... it removed soooo much stress.

    hope everything works out.
  • 11-23-2006, 11:59 PM
    joyful girl
    Re: Issues with Puppy Obedience Training
    I agree..
    contacting a professional trainer would be your best option
  • 11-24-2006, 12:01 AM
    tigerlily
    Re: Issues with Puppy Obedience Training
    Really? I've never heard anything bad associated with it, but I'm not a behavioral expert. I don't see where it's negative reinforcement, as I don't beat them or yell at them. Why would the dog associate it with being hurt? There would be no pain involved? I've done it with both of my dogs as they had to learn to lay still, so I would be able to trim their nails.
  • 11-24-2006, 12:05 AM
    joyful girl
    Re: Issues with Puppy Obedience Training
    here is a little info on alpha rolling

    What is an Alpha Roll?

    An Alpha Roll is the act of flipping your dog onto his back, and holding his throat. Supposedly this will teach him that YOU are Alpha, and he will respect you for this.
    Wrong.

    Why The Apha Roll Is Dangerous

    "The only reason that a dog will FORCEFULLY flip another dog over on its back is to kill the animal. By forcing an animal to submit in that way you are literally putting the fear of death into them, they think you are trying to kill them. It is not surprising that a lot of people get bit trying to do the alpha roll - the dog believes that the human is trying to kill them so they try and defend themselves. Doing this behavior to an already dominant animal can increase the likelihood of aggression. Doing this to an already submissive animal will increase the fear in that animal - leading to submissive urination and possible fear biting. Hands should never, ever be used to hurt an animal - an alpha roll does just that and its efficacy at asserting dominance is next to zero."



    so even if you aren't grabbing the throat of the dog it still may feel vulnerable and be scared of you
  • 11-24-2006, 12:13 AM
    tigerlily
    Re: Issues with Puppy Obedience Training
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joyful girl
    here is a little info on alpha rolling

    What is an Alpha Roll?

    An Alpha Roll is the act of flipping your dog onto his back, and holding his throat. Supposedly this will teach him that YOU are Alpha, and he will respect you for this.
    Wrong.

    Why The Apha Roll Is Dangerous

    "The only reason that a dog will FORCEFULLY flip another dog over on its back is to kill the animal. By forcing an animal to submit in that way you are literally putting the fear of death into them, they think you are trying to kill them. It is not surprising that a lot of people get bit trying to do the alpha roll - the dog believes that the human is trying to kill them so they try and defend themselves. Doing this behavior to an already dominant animal can increase the likelihood of aggression. Doing this to an already submissive animal will increase the fear in that animal - leading to submissive urination and possible fear biting. Hands should never, ever be used to hurt an animal - an alpha roll does just that and its efficacy at asserting dominance is next to zero."



    so even if you aren't grabbing the throat of the dog it still may feel vulnerable and be scared of you

    Thanks for the info. That's very interesting. Can you give me the source of that info. I would love to read up on that. I've never had any of those problems with my dogs, but I won't be giving out that advice again. I'm almost positive that advise came from a vet that I worked with though.
  • 11-24-2006, 12:16 AM
    recycling goddess
    Re: Issues with Puppy Obedience Training
    i've read it as well christie... i'd like the source of the info as well ;)
  • 11-24-2006, 12:23 AM
    joyful girl
    Re: Issues with Puppy Obedience Training
    here is the actual link to the section I posted http://dogs.about.com/cs/basictraining/a/alpha_roll.htm

    but there is a lot more info here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_roll

    and here http://www.grca-nrc.org/GAP-TrainingC2.pdf

    Using negative reinforcement training used to be how most people thought it should be done. Now after finally realizing that it really doesn't help people are using postive reinforcement more and more.
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