Help with ID of these two babies...

Very true piranhaking, then again could be a cross. Heck I have a boa that I have NO idea of what she truly is. I know what I was told she is, lol... with her it is just a best guess.

Im not sure on the genes on okeetee and miami work. Im not sure if they're actually a morph like amel or anery or whatever, or just a variation on normal that can be line bred and kept, but would dilute when crossed with something different. Anyone know how that works??

If this helps, the guy I got them from told me that he bred them by crossing a cremesickle and a ghost, which I didn't hear but my girlfriend heard him say. I believe she heard that, but I think he might have been telling a bit of a fib.... who knows.... I still like them.

I do know that Miami and Okeetees aren't morphs, they are just from different localities. Creamsicles are a hybrid- cross between cornsnake and ratsnake. I dont know enough about cornsnake genetics to even try to get into this one, lol. Either way, they are nice looking babies.

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Originally Posted by Nightmare Creatures

Look like Okeetee morph to me......

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Same thing with me but a cross with a dark morph.:confuzd: :confuse:

just thought id throw this in, a creamsicle is a cross between an amel corn and a great plains rat snake (elaphe guttata emori i think is the binomial name for the rat snake in question here.)

edit, that makes sence now that i think about it. The amel and the ghost would cancel out, because they are recessive traits. That would leave corn, and part great plains, which is a black and grey/white snake. I know that a het creamsicle (which i assume would be a corn het for amel, and a great plains rat) looks completely different from a normal, very dark saddles, and very light greyish white background color. I would assume the great plains atributes would dilute, and result in something between that almost anery looking het creamsicle and a normal, which kinda fits the snake we see here. That is somewhat of a random thought (assuming the info about the parents is right), so dont put to much weight on it, its just a possible idea that hit me.

I think piranhaking is on the right track...these guys may very well have been a ghost corn x creamsicle mix. Technically you have a hybrid (1/4th Emory and 3/4ths corn) known in the biz as a "rootbeer corn"...though root beers are typically a 1/2 mix of both Emory and Corn. Your pair just happens to be het for Anerythristic A, hypo, and amel. Hope this helps!

JT