Vanilla het?????

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Originally Posted by Entropy

Everything I've read always says that Vanilla and Thunder are the same and interchangeable.

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I held both animals in Daytona and had lengthy conversations with both Tom and Chris about why they each feel that their animals are not the same thing ... time will tell.

-adam

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This is an 800 gram female UNPROVEN Vanilla.

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I have seen quite a number of the hets and am confident that this is one.

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Does anybody see something wrong with that?

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Originally Posted by MPenn

Thank you Adam for your reply! I figured that you would know! ;)

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You know that's right...Adam gets around :nerd:

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Originally Posted by cueball

You know that's right...Adam gets around :nerd:

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In more ways then one.

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Originally Posted by TheAudOne

In more ways then one.

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:hump:

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

:hump:

-adam

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:giggle: :wuv:

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Originally Posted by Cartmansdad

Does anybody see something wrong with that?

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I think what he is saying is that vanillas ARE hets - i.e. they have one copy of the vanilla gene and one normal for vanilla gene. Just like pastels are hets for the pastel gene. We are in a confusing place right now with the use of the word "het". I really think we need to continue to move away from thinking of it as limited to normal looking het recessives because the real meaning is so helpful in predicting the outcome of increasingly complex dominant type crosses.

He could have said that it was het for super vanilla (I don’t know enough about the mutation to say if this animal really is or not) but that also would be a bit of a misuse. Heterozygous is a genotype term and tells us about the gene pair (unmatched) and doesn't by it's self tell us what it looks like. Just like het doesn't always mean normal looking (just happens to usually work out that way with recessive type mutations) it also doesn't mean half way to some other visible phenotype (just happens to work out that way with co-dominant mutation types). A het for a completely dominant mutation would look just like the homozygous version. The important thing about being het is having an unmatched pair of genes and having a 50/50 chance as to which will be passed to any offspring.

If spider or some other ball python mutation does turn out to be complete dominant we will need to refer to possible homozygous spiders, known het spiders, and known homozygous spiders but they will all look the same. We generally don't talk about het pastels because they look different and have their own pastel phenotype different from the homozygous pastel phenotype. But even with co-dominant types it wouldn't be wrong to talk about genotypes like hets for the mutant pastel gene it's self.

So vanilla's are co-dom?


Also, it looked like a normal to me.