Re: Animal Rights or Animal Welfare?
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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls
But we cant make a whole kidney organ and study how a drug interacts with a whole kidney (yet). Cells in culture act very differently than those within an organism.
Edit: We can duplicate DNA and make clones of goats and other animals, humans they could very easily as well.. they can clone a human kidney just fine... Abusing othe rliving beings is not the answer.. I have been check in on how they 'study" and test animals with these things.. go on Youtube.com and boy.. are thos eabusive animal tester very very cruel...
Re: Animal Rights or Animal Welfare?
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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls
If you would like to add this option feel free to do so....I'm not sure if you have this power.
But please do so if you do to represent your view.
i added it for you :)
Re: Animal Rights or Animal Welfare?
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Originally Posted by Sapphire7
We can duplicate DNA and make clones of humans.. they can clone a human kidney just fine...
Ah no.....we can't clone a kidney...or would you like to provide a reputable source of medical/scientific literature to support this?
and human cloning has not been substantiated as of yet. We can duplicate a segment of DNA......that's very different than what most people think of as cloning.
YouTube is NOT a reputable source.
Re: Animal Rights or Animal Welfare?
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Originally Posted by recycling goddess
i added it for you :)
Thanks.:handshake
Re: Animal Rights or Animal Welfare?
I am definately not against using animals for research; how is it any different than using them as food? My problem with anything animal-related, is when things done to them cross the border from making them useful, to making them suffer needlessly. I am not that knowledgible about what goes on behind the scenes with animal research, but I think it is ridiculous to live life in our society such as it is, while at the same time touting research as wrong; I'd venture to say that any and every product we use is somehow linked to animal research, so it is hypocritical to decry it and sill lead a normal life..
Nature sees no good nor evil; just survival of the fittest and smartest. Humans have gone directly into the face of nature by merely existing and creating ideas of good versus evil.. and in my eyes, it is uber hypocritical for us to frown down upon something while supporting it with our hard earned money!
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If we can clone a perfect lamb that live 2yrs before it died back in the early 1991 or 1992 than they can certainly clone a human by now... and they can test on that thing... Animal DNA is different than human DNA we cannot sufficiently test on them, and its just not right...
Re: Animal Rights or Animal Welfare?
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Originally Posted by Ginevive
it is uber hypocritical for us to frown down upon something while supporting it with our hard earned money!
Thats why I hate hypocrites. If I could rewind the ways of us people then I would, for the good of living things and the good of us.. we're just too evil nowadays... And do we have a choice to live how we do nowadays? I buy and wear, and use anything thats has not tested on animals... And my ancestors may not have known as much as I did now about how we should love all life in all sorts of forms, and I live my live well, and do good for life. And thats the best I can offer.. and Im sorry if its hypocritcal of me...
Re: Animal Rights or Animal Welfare?
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Originally Posted by Sapphire7
If we can clone a perfect lamb that live 2yrs before it died back in the early 1991 or 1992 than they can certainly clone a human by now... and they can test on that thing... Animal DNA is different than human DNA we cannot sufficiently test on them, and its just not right...
Somatic Nuclear Cell Transfer "cloning" was accomplished first in 1997.
Second cleavage occurs at a different stage in both mice and humans as compared to sheeps.....this makes cloning them even more difficult than sheep.
Dolly was one out of 300 some attempts I believe.
The efficency has gone up some.....but not that much.
Most of our genes have very similar sequence as animal genes. After all, humans are animals we just happen to be at the top of the food chain.
Nobel Prizes using animal research....http://www.fbresearch.org/Education/nobels.htm
Anyway...do this evildoing predator a favor and vote "both".
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You have to consider the differant levels of 'welfare' and 'rights'.......I think you can't just lump it all together and ask for support either way. The sad thing about animal 'welfare' or 'rights' is that the majority of the time.....extreamist groups are the ones are associated with the phrases. Do I support animal rights or welfare in the same way that PETA does? NO WAY....but I do believe that animals should be given 'rights' by people since when an animal's 'rights' are violated....it is ALWAYS a person in the wrong.
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Originally Posted by daniel1983
You have to consider the differant levels of 'welfare' and 'rights'.......I think you can't just lump it all together and ask for support either way. The sad thing about animal 'welfare' or 'rights' is that the majority of the time.....extreamist groups are the ones are associated with the phrases. Do I support animal rights or welfare in the same way that PETA does? NO WAY....but I do believe that animals should be given 'rights' by people since when an animal's 'rights' are violated....it is ALWAYS a person in the wrong.
I agree somewhat....
It can be viewed as a spectrum......the important thing is to realize its a spectrum. I guess which side do you lean towards?
